David,
Can you point me to where the copyright policy
addresses the contributors as being the copyright
holders for the OFBiz code instead of ASF?  <inquiring
tone, not skepticism>  I'm not seeing them in NOTICE
or LICENSE, but they are rather long :-)

TIA,
Chris

--- "David E. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Chris,
> 
> Have you read the ASF licensing and copyright policy
> documents? They  
> address this, and in general this sort of thing in
> pretty good detail.
> 
> Don't worry, you're not the first to notice this.
> 
> As for copyright statements in other projects: there
> are certain  
> cases where the files are not 100% licensed through
> the ASF, but are  
> rather a combination of third party code and code
> developer for/ 
> through the ASF. Also not that while it is the
> responsibility of  
> committers to monitor this sort of thing in patches
> and their own  
> work, we do sometimes make mistakes. In general for
> the OFBiz code it  
> has been thoroughly reviewed and such things well
> vetted through the  
> incubation process.
> 
> -David
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2007, at 8:45 PM, Chris Howe wrote:
> 
> > While searching for more answers on how to make
> the
> > ofbiz-sandbox ASF friendly (both legally and ASF
> > administrative safe guard wise), I came across a
> > distinction between contributions to the Free
> Software
> > Foundation (FSF) and contributions to the ASF that
> I
> > think may have been inadequately addressed in
> OFBiz.
> > IANAL.
> >
> > Contributions to FSF require a copyright
> assignment,
> > while contributions to ASF generally, simply grant
> > license of use, modification, etc.  This
> distinction
> > allows FSF software to carry the copyright notice
> > "Copyright YYYY The Free Software Foundation" by
> > itself.
> >
> > I looked at a couple of the other ASF TLPs and
> noticed
> > they were either missing a copyright notice in
> > individual files or in the case of Geronimo, had
> the
> > following:
> >
> >  * Copyright 2004, 2005 The Apache Software
> Foundation
> > or its licensors, as applicable.
> >
> > I only looked at a couple files, so this is no
> where
> > near a comprehensive search.  As it is now, nearly
> > every file in OFBiz says:
> >
> >     Copyright 2001-2006 The Apache Software
> Foundation
> >
> > Which perhaps in and of itself is a copyright
> > violation. One for the beginning year (it may be
> > materially false as I wouldn't think a copyright
> can
> > be assigned retroactively) and two for the
> exclusion
> > of those who may actually have the copyright (the
> > author, etc).  To my knowledge, there was no
> request
> > to the community for copyright assignment.
> >
> > I hope no one construes this as causing a fuss or
> as a
> > distraction.  One of the reasons for the move to
> the
> > ASF for the project, as I understood it, was a
> > proactive step to avoid legal hassles.  I just
> want us
> > to take advantage of that benefit and protect all
> of
> > our hard work.
> >
> > TIA for your feedback,
> > Chris
> 
> 

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