+1 :-)
--- Daniel Kunkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David
>
> I'd like to give one more try at seeing if we can
> set something up WITH-
> IN the Apache OFBiz Project for sandboxed
> developments and developers.
>
> Chris seems to be really working to create something
> that he, I and
> probably others feel is really needed. These legal
> challenges he is
> facing in trying to create something that will help
> and can easily be
> accpeted into the Apache OFBiz project seem
> needless.
>
> Couldn't we add a sandbox directory somewhere in the
> project where non-
> trunk approved contributors could collaborate on
> secondary projects. I
> believe I'm correct in thinking that svn access to a
> single directory
> would be relatively easy to administer, and the
> developments in that
> structure would automatically pass all Apache legal
> requirements.
>
> Thanks
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 20:47 -0700, David E. Jones
> wrote:
> > Chris,
> >
> > Hopefully the resource J. Aaron linked to answers
> your question about
> > copyrights. Note that in that same area of the
> site there are various
> > pages with helpful related information.
> >
> > The comments from Leo Simmons on the incubator
> mailing list were
> > helpful too.
> >
> > As I understand it however the intellectual
> property is created it is
> > the responsibility of the PMC to review the
> intellectual property
> > issues and incorporate the code into the open
> source project. That's
> > the only way it gets in. This may sound a little
> bit heavy handed,
> > but that is how the organization is setup.
> >
> > As Leo mentioned there may be scenarios that are
> not well met by this
> > structure, and yes without working directly with a
> committer on an
> > effort collaboration through the SVN repo of the
> project is more
> > difficult, but I still highly recommend it. There
> are major
> > advantages to working on things through the
> resources of the project
> > rather than doing things on your own and then
> trying to work it into
> > the project.
> >
> > I have updated the Contributors Best Practices
> page on docs.ofbiz.org
> > about this, and I highly recommend reading it, for
> anyone and
> > everyone who is working with OFBiz. I made a few
> changes to make
> > certain things more clear, but most of the issues
> discussed in this
> > and other threads recently were actually already
> addressed on that
> > page. Here is a link to it:
> >
> > http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/r
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
> > On Jan 14, 2007, at 10:24 PM, Chris Howe wrote:
> >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > Let me know at which point I become a pain in my
> > > inquiry about this. It's really not my
> intention. I'm
> > > still looking for a model that I can use to
> offer
> > > contributions with the least amount of
> administrative
> > > work necessary from the sandbox to the ASF.
> Copying
> > > the manner that OFBiz is able to place the
> copyright
> > > ASF placard on every file without notice of
> other
> > > copyright holders in that file would seem the
> path of
> > > least resistance. I'm trying to find the legal
> theory
> > > being used as my understanding is that there is
> only a
> > > license grant being offered from contributors
> and not
> > > copyright assignment with the Apache License v2.
> > >
> > > If I'm able to make a valid claim to copyright
> and
> > > exclude other holders, then I'm able to
> appropriately
> > > grant license to the ASF.
> > >
> > > If the ASF doesn't hold copyright in it's
> entirety,
> > > then I would think this would need to be
> clarified
> > > somewhere inside the project(ie LICENSE or
> NOTICE
> > > files). Even failing that need, the only thing
> I'm
> > > finding on apache.org is the intent to gain
> copyright
> > > ownership approved in past board minutes but
> never an
> > > actual vehicle to attain copyright ownership.
> > > ie used the google search
> > > site:www.apache.org copyright assignment
> > >
> > > Can you point me to a definitive place for this
> > > answer?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > --- "David E. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Chris,
> > >>
> > >> Do you mean the NOTICE and LICENSE files in
> OFBiz?
> > >> You'll only find
> > >> information on libraries included and their
> > >> corresponding licenses in
> > >> those files.
> > >>
> > >> I recommend looking on the apache.org site for
> > >> general information
> > >> about the ASF and its policies.
> > >>
> > >> -David
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 14, 2007, at 9:22 PM, Chris Howe wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> David,
> > >>> Can you point me to where the copyright policy
> > >>> addresses the contributors as being the
> copyright
> > >>> holders for the OFBiz code instead of ASF?
> > >> <inquiring
> > >>> tone, not skepticism> I'm not seeing them in
> > >> NOTICE
> > >>> or LICENSE, but they are rather long :-)
> > >>>
> > >>> TIA,
> > >>> Chris
> > >>>
> > >>> --- "David E. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Chris,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Have you read the ASF licensing and copyright
> > >> policy
> > >>>> documents? They
> > >>>> address this, and in general this sort of
> thing
> > >> in
> > >>>> pretty good detail.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Don't worry, you're not the first to notice
> this.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> As for copyright statements in other
> projects:
> > >> there
> > >>>> are certain
> > >>>> cases where the files are not 100% licensed
> > >> through
>
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