Yes, we do need an end date (or not start date). Copyright protection has a limited time period, I believe something like 10 years for things like this. Because of that copyright holders have an incentive to update the copyright date as they release new editions.

Again, please keep in mind the difference between a copyright message for a specific file in the project, and a copyright message that represents that output generated by the system (which copyright is typically customized when the system is deployed, BTW).

The files changed here are for the copyright statements which cover generated output, so the substantial change issue is satisfied, and in fact it has nothing to do with it because each page generated is a unique work and not tied to a previous page.

In the headers for each file in the project what really should happen is that people update the copyright date when they make substantial changes to each file. Trying to remember that and keep track of it is not terribly likely and is a real pain as another thing on top of dozens already for people to remember.

The best solution for those headers (which again has nothing to do with this particular commit) is probably to do a review once a year of all files with more than X lines (probably 5-10) of changes, and then update the headers on those (if they haven't already been updated).

-David


On May 8, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

Also I (we?) have not checked this rule http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html . I just tried but did not find anything obvious...
Some links
http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Copyright_duration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Duration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_on_harmonising_the_term_of_copyright_protection#Duration_of_protection

Finally I wonder now if we really need to put and end date there...!

Maybe David Goodenough can enlighten us ?

Jacques


From: "David E Jones" <jone...@apache.org>
Subject: Re: svn commit: r772941 - in /ofbiz/trunk: framework/common/ webcommon/includes/fo/ framework/webtools/webapp/webtools/entity/ specialpurpose/ecommerce/webapp/ecommerce/includes/ specialpurpose/ webpos/webapp/webpos/includes/ themes/flatgrey/includes/ themes...



I think we should undo this change. The dynamic dates represented here do not copyright the files that the code is in, they copyright what the code produces, and that is constantly changing so the dynamic date is appropriate.

-David


On May 8, 2009, at 5:15 AM, jler...@apache.org wrote:

Author: jleroux
Date: Fri May  8 11:15:08 2009
New Revision: 772941

URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=772941&view=rev
Log:
See http://markmail.org/message/znytl2y4inpmxbdo (David Goodenough's advice on copyright update) extract : "My understanding of the Berne Convention rules for Copyright (which covers most jurisdictions - even the USA now), is that the copyright period only gets extended when the copyrighted item gets updated."

Modified:
ofbiz/trunk/framework/common/webcommon/includes/fo/basic- footer.fo.ftl ofbiz/trunk/framework/webtools/webapp/webtools/entity/ EntityRefReport.fo.ftl ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/ecommerce/webapp/ecommerce/includes/ footer.ftl ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/webpos/webapp/webpos/includes/ Footer.ftl
  ofbiz/trunk/themes/flatgrey/includes/footer.ftl
  ofbiz/trunk/themes/multiflex/includes/footer.ftl

Modified: ofbiz/trunk/framework/common/webcommon/includes/fo/ basic- footer.fo.ftl
URL: 
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/framework/common/webcommon/includes/fo/basic-footer.fo.ftl?rev=772941&r1=772940&r2=772941&view=diff
= = = = = = = = = = ==================================================================== --- ofbiz/trunk/framework/common/webcommon/includes/fo/basic- footer.fo.ftl (original) +++ ofbiz/trunk/framework/common/webcommon/includes/fo/basic- footer.fo.ftl Fri May 8 11:15:08 2009
@@ -18,7 +18,7 @@
-->
<#escape x as x?xml>
<fo:static-content flow-name="xsl-region-after" font- size="$ {(layoutSettings.footerFontSize)?default("8pt")}"> - <fo:block text-align="center" border-top="thin solid black">Copyright (c) 2001-${nowTimestamp?string("yyyy")} The Apache Software Foundation</fo:block> + <fo:block text-align="center" border-top="thin solid black">Copyright (c) 2001-2009 The Apache Software Foundation</ fo:block> <fo:block text-align="center">${uiLabelMap.CommonPage} <fo:page-number/></fo:block>
       </fo:static-content>
</#escape>

Modified: ofbiz/trunk/framework/webtools/webapp/webtools/entity/ EntityRefReport.fo.ftl
URL: 
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/framework/webtools/webapp/webtools/entity/EntityRefReport.fo.ftl?rev=772941&r1=772940&r2=772941&view=diff
= = = = = = = = = = ==================================================================== --- ofbiz/trunk/framework/webtools/webapp/webtools/entity/ EntityRefReport.fo.ftl (original) +++ ofbiz/trunk/framework/webtools/webapp/webtools/entity/ EntityRefReport.fo.ftl Fri May 8 11:15:08 2009
@@ -70,7 +70,7 @@

       <#-- footer -->
       <fo:static-content flow-name="xsl-region-after">
- <fo:block text-align="center" border-top="thin solid black">Copyright (c) 2001-${nowTimestamp?string("yyyy")} The Apache Software Foundation</fo:block> + <fo:block text-align="center" border-top="thin solid black">Copyright (c) 2001-2009 The Apache Software Foundation</ fo:block> <fo:block text-align="center">${uiLabelMap.CommonPage} <fo:page-number/></fo:block>
       </fo:static-content>


Modified: ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/ecommerce/webapp/ecommerce/ includes/footer.ftl
URL: 
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/ecommerce/webapp/ecommerce/includes/footer.ftl?rev=772941&r1=772940&r2=772941&view=diff
= = = = = = = = = = ==================================================================== --- ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/ecommerce/webapp/ecommerce/ includes/ footer.ftl (original) +++ ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/ecommerce/webapp/ecommerce/ includes/ footer.ftl Fri May 8 11:15:08 2009
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
 </div>
 <br/>
 <div class="tabletext" align="center">
- <div class="tabletext">Copyright (c) 2001-${nowTimestamp? string("yyyy")} The Apache Software Foundation - <a href="http://www.apache.org " class="tabletext" target="_blank">www.apache.org</a></div> + <div class="tabletext">Copyright (c) 2001-2009 The Apache Software Foundation - <a href="http://www.apache.org"; class="tabletext" target="_blank">www.apache.org</a></div> <div class="tabletext">Powered by <a href="http:// ofbiz.apache.org" class="tabletext" target="_blank">Apache OFBiz</ a></div>
 </div>
 <br/>

Modified: ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/webpos/webapp/webpos/ includes/ Footer.ftl
URL: 
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/webpos/webapp/webpos/includes/Footer.ftl?rev=772941&r1=772940&r2=772941&view=diff
= = = = = = = = = = ==================================================================== --- ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/webpos/webapp/webpos/includes/ Footer.ftl (original) +++ ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/webpos/webapp/webpos/includes/ Footer.ftl Fri May 8 11:15:08 2009
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
</div>
<br/>
<div align="center">
- <div>Copyright (c) 2001-${nowTimestamp?string("yyyy")} The Apache Software Foundation - <a href="http://www.apache.org"; class="tabletext" target="_blank">www.apache.org</a></div> + <div>Copyright (c) 2001-2009 The Apache Software Foundation - <a href="http://www.apache.org"; class="tabletext" target="_blank">www.apache.org </a></div> <div>Powered by <a href="http://ofbiz.apache.org"; target="_blank">Apache OFBiz</a></div>
</div>
<br/>

Modified: ofbiz/trunk/themes/flatgrey/includes/footer.ftl
URL: 
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/themes/flatgrey/includes/footer.ftl?rev=772941&r1=772940&r2=772941&view=diff
= = = = = = = = = = ====================================================================
--- ofbiz/trunk/themes/flatgrey/includes/footer.ftl (original)
+++ ofbiz/trunk/themes/flatgrey/includes/footer.ftl Fri May 8 11:15:08 2009
@@ -61,7 +61,7 @@
<p><a href="http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/";><img src="<@ofbizContentUrl>/images/vcss.gif</@ofbizContentUrl>" alt="Valid CSS!"/></a> <a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer";><img src="<@ofbizContentUrl>/images/valid-xhtml10.png</ @ofbizContentUrl>" alt="Valid XHTML 1.0!"/></a></p>
 <p>
- ${uiLabelMap.CommonCopyright} (c) 2001-${nowTimestamp? string("yyyy")} The Apache Software Foundation - <a href="http://www.apache.org " target="_blank">www.apache.org</a><br /> + ${uiLabelMap.CommonCopyright} (c) 2001-2009 The Apache Software Foundation - <a href="http://www.apache.org"; target="_blank">www.apache.org </a><br /> ${uiLabelMap.CommonPoweredBy} <a href="http://ofbiz.apache.org"; target="_blank">Apache OFBiz</a> <#include "../../../runtime/ svninfo.ftl" /></p>
</div>
<#if layoutSettings.VT_FTR_JAVASCRIPT?has_content>

Modified: ofbiz/trunk/themes/multiflex/includes/footer.ftl
URL: 
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/themes/multiflex/includes/footer.ftl?rev=772941&r1=772940&r2=772941&view=diff
= = = = = = = = = = ====================================================================
--- ofbiz/trunk/themes/multiflex/includes/footer.ftl (original)
+++ ofbiz/trunk/themes/multiflex/includes/footer.ftl Fri May 8 11:15:08 2009
@@ -21,7 +21,7 @@

<div class="footer">
 <p align="center">
- <p>Copyright (c) 2001-${nowTimestamp?string("yyyy")} The Apache Software Foundation - <a href="http://www.apache.org"; class="tabletext" target="_blank">www.apache.org</a></p> + <p>Copyright (c) 2001-2009 The Apache Software Foundation - <a href="http://www.apache.org"; class="tabletext" target="_blank">www.apache.org </a></p> <p>Powered by <a href="http://ofbiz.apache.org"; target="_blank">Apache OFBiz</a></p>
 </p>
 <#if layoutSettings.VT_FTR_JAVASCRIPT?has_content>





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