Developing support for it would be fine, if the messaging feature was
set up as a gateway.
I'm not aware of any generic specifications for payment gateways, yet
OFBiz accommodates a variety of them.
The point I have been trying to make is this: if we're going to add an
instant messaging or twitter-like feature to OFBiz, let's do it in a way
that works for more than one messaging service.
-Adrian
David E Jones wrote:
Then you'll have to develop support for it, or get someone else to do it for
you.
I'm not aware of any generic specification we could implement to that would
support ESME as well as other options. Is there one you have in mind?
-David
On Dec 15, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
What if I want the messaging feature, but I already have a messaging server
that isn't ESME?
-Adrian
Hans Bakker wrote:
we are still investigating how to interface but yes an inclusion of a
full system as a component seems the best way to us if only for the ease
of installation and the convenient license.
looking more into skala ..... an possible upgrade to groovy and java
being compatible with our current runtime environment (JVM/Tomcat)
On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 08:58 -0800, Adrian Crum wrote:
In other words, "Thank you for your suggestions, but I'm going to ignore them."
Saying ESME is an essential part of OFBiz is like saying Apache James is an
essential part of OFBiz - so we can send emails from OFBiz.
No, we don't need to install ESME - just create a gateway to it. The
integration Wiki page
(http://incubator.apache.org/esme/collaboration-with-ofbiz.html) already
suggests something like that.
-Adrian
Hans Bakker wrote:
Hi everybody who commented.
The approach that Adrian has below and is supported by others in the
community was also our first and seems the easiest from an
implementation point of view.
After some investigation however we consider ESME not only an add-on but
an essential part of OFBiz which should be automatically installed when
OFBiz is installed.
That means:
1. everybody who is registered in OFBiz is automatically using ESME.
2. everybody will follow the system messages from the system
administrator which is currently done in the system info notes
(commonext component), ESME will replace it.
The proposal:
1. We should install ESME as a 'normal' OFBiz component in the
application- or even framework folder because it will be a mandatory
part of the system.
2. ESME authentication will be disabled and should, as a normal ofbiz
component, use the framework authentication.
3. ESME runs happily under Tomcat and is using the Java runtime.
4. ESME has the Apache 2 license, so no problems here too.
Further plans:
We almost upgraded to Axis2 in the framework and let OFBiz installations
exchange ESME messages via webservices.
Regards,
Hans.
On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 07:48 -0800, Adrian Crum wrote:
I believe any integration with existing chat/twitter-like services would be
useful.
From my perspective, it would be best to build into OFBiz a gateway to these
external services. In other words, take the same approach we use with external
payment processors. I believe that would be less complicated and more flexible
than integrating a specific service into OFBiz.
-Adrian
Hans Bakker wrote:
Some users are wondering if ESME is useful to add to OFBiz or not,
therefore some promotion why I think it is interesting and yes I have
business cases for it:
1. It started with a request of our customers to have a chat possibility
in e-commerce for new users to ask questions via chat. I looked at 2
chat open source frameworks. Then ESME was proposed here in the mailing
list. My opinion is that if ESME can do chat too, then better go for
ESME so we have also twitter functions. (as Tim also stated)
2. ESME allows to use the twitter principle in a protected business
environment: developers/marketeers exchanging ideas, announcing news and
problems. (yes you should use OFBiz in your company to see these
benefits)
If you are still not convinced of twitter in a business environment: get
a twitter account and follow me: @hansbak i will keep you informed about
ESME within OFBiz and you will have the opportunity for point 3 as a
bonus.
3. ESME was actually born in the SAP environment and many people from
this environment now getting exposed to OFBiz because we are looking at
ESME too and the ESME people "retweet" my ESME experiences to their
network of twitter accounts.
I was not convinced about this twitter stuff but using this for my ESME
investigations has shown me that it is actually pretty exiting getting
to know so much new people in such a short time.
David thanks for the support because it looks like that the OFBiz
community has a problem accepting new functions like this one, even if
it does not affect their usage of OFBiz. So please people, not too
conservative and always be open to new developments!
Regards,
Hans
On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 16:30 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
Proposal:
We are looking to copy an ESME server within OFBiz as a component to
allow for twitter like messaging within the OFBiz environment.
users coming on the ecommerce site can 'twitter' a message which is
monitored by the system admin, who can answer the questions.
Logged in users can follow other registered users and can twitter what
they are doing...
more info at
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ESME/Collaboration+with+OFbiz
any thoughts?
regards,
Hans (@hansbak)
