David,

Keep in mind that the original design is one that you participated in. The agreement on the setting precedence in the original Jira issue was this:

widget.properties -> web.xml -> URL parameters

where widget.properties is the global default, which can be overridden by a setting in web.xml, which can be overridden by screen widgets or scripts or whatever (via the current context Map).

The design worked great. Then Hans changed it due to a misunderstanding of how the design works. Despite repeated explanations of how the design works, and requests from three PMC members to revert his change, he refused to change it and threatened the community with a commit war. Since then we have had a number of issues reported on the mailing list describing how his change makes the setting unusable.

It amazes me that a single -1 vote vetoes a change in the Apache community, but three -1 votes from PMC members can't revert this obvious break in software design.

-Adrian

On 9/12/2011 7:24 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
No. The approach suggested by (and committed by) Hans is that the setting in the widget.properties file overrides any other setting.

-Adrian

On 9/12/2011 6:19 PM, David E Jones wrote:
No one agrees with which approach? The approach that if you pass a widgetVerbose=true HTTP parameter that it should override the widget.properties setting? I agree with that approach…

-David


On Sep 12, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:

That's the problem - no one agrees with that approach.

-Adrian

On 9/12/2011 1:53 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
I think I forgot to forward Hans's answer

Jacques

Hans Bakker wrote:
On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 05:15 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
widget.properties's widget.verbose setting has precedence over web.xml's widgetVerbose setting. So you can't use parameters.widgetVerbose to override widget.verbose to false. Is ModelWidget.widgetBoundaryCommentsEnabled() written this way for
some reasons?
there was a lengthly discussion of this. As long as by default the
properties file is not overridden in web.xml is fine either way.


Another issue is that these HTML boundary comments get outputted even though the view handler is set to "screencsv". In the widget-screen.xsd, the only way to invoke a template to produce CSV is using<html><html-template />, but this always adds HTML comments even if the output is CSV (see HtmlWidget class). Maybe we could introduce a<csv> element or something like that?

Anyway, both of those problems combined mean that there are no apparent clean ways to remove the HTML "template begin/end" boundary comments from the CSV output if you try to draw it with an *.ftl template. A workaround kludge for now is to invoke
the FTL manually through a Groovy script.

Thanks

Jacques

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