At the moment I am more inclined to ask you to stop and revert the work on 
"security" group...  but I would like others to comment as well.
Then we will discuss the changes but we will have more time because the system 
will work as it used to before your changes. So no, please do not consider 
silence as an ok to proceed with your plan to fix the issues you introduced... 
what I see is that the other committers do not fully understand your design or 
do not like it and this clearly needs to be discussed.

Jacopo


On Jun 16, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:

> If i do not hear any objections against the creation of a SYSTEM (seed) 
> security group with a userLoginId 'system' then i will try commit that 
> tomorrow in order to solve the outstanding problem when only seed/extseed is 
> loaded.
> 
> Hans
> 
> On 06/16/2012 03:33 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> with ant load-seed an load-extseed by default the component security is not 
>> loaded, if you want the same situation as before you have to load security 
>> with ./ant load-readers -Ddata-readers=security or load load a specifc 
>> component security file.
>> 
>> When security is not loaded the component will be not be shown to any user 
>> including the admin users of the system.
>> 
>> A similar message as above is shown at the end of the load seed/extseed 
>> command
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>> 
>> On 06/16/2012 03:21 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> In which cases the component security is not loaded?
>>> 
>>> Jacques
>>> 
>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <[email protected]>
>>>> Implementing the 'SYSTEM' security group will let the userlogin 'system' 
>>>> work exactly the same as now with the addition that it even will work when 
>>>> the component security is not loaded.
>>>> 
>>>> Hans
>>>> 
>>>> On 06/16/2012 02:45 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>> Ha, Hans, I did not notice your answer on the *dev  ML* because I user 
>>>>> filter to separate Jira issues from emails direct to dev ML
>>>>> Please keep your Jira comments in Jira.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I answered to Jacopo's question about the situation. Would be good to 
>>>>> clarify the situation in this thread and not mix Jira comments :/
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK too late then:
>>>>> At first glance I see any problems with the
>>>>>> I propose here a new general 'FULLADMIN' security group called 'SYSTEM' 
>>>>>> which is only used for the 'system' userlogin.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We find always ourseleves with the need to use the system user for 
>>>>> specific services calls anyway.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not sure it answer all Jacop's question in the other thread though, or is 
>>>>> rather a new try/test to complete initial work...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Ok most these problems are solved now. added warning messages to ./ant 
>>>>>> seed and ./ant extseed
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Still, like in assetmaintenance the background jobs need full access to 
>>>>>> the assetmaint component however it could be that the security is not 
>>>>>> loaded.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I propose here a new general 'FULLADMIN' security group called 'SYSTEM' 
>>>>>> which is only used for the 'system' userlogin.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This will allow the system userlogin to run any background process and 
>>>>>> every component can give 'admin' privileges to the SYSTEM security 
>>>>>> permissiongroup in the seed data. Then the background will run even if 
>>>>>> the standard security is not loaded.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let me know of any comments or other suggestions for this problem
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 06/14/2012 04:47 PM, Jacopo Cappellato (JIRA) wrote:
>>>>>>>      [ 
>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4936?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel
>>>>>>>  ]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jacopo Cappellato reassigned OFBIZ-4936:
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>     Assignee: Hans Bakker
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hans, I think this is related to the recent refactoring ("security" 
>>>>>>> reader), could you please have a look and fix it?
>>>>>>> If you are not available, just reassign to me and I will try to have a 
>>>>>>> look and fix the code.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Installation error occur about JobSandbox
>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>                 Key: OFBIZ-4936
>>>>>>>>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4936
>>>>>>>>             Project: OFBiz
>>>>>>>>          Issue Type: Bug
>>>>>>>>          Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>>>>>>>>    Affects Versions: SVN trunk
>>>>>>>>         Environment: Mac OS X Lion 1.7.4
>>>>>>>> Oracle Java SDK 1.7
>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz trunk  Rev: 1350081
>>>>>>>>            Reporter: Thanakrit Wongyued
>>>>>>>>            Assignee: Hans Bakker
>>>>>>>>         Attachments: Terminal Saved Output.log
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> My name is Thanakrit from Thailand. I try to install ofbiz from trunk 
>>>>>>>> and then error occured reading data from file below :
>>>>>>>> trunk/applications/accounting/data/AccountingScheduledServiceData.xml 
>>>>>>>> trunk/framework/service/data/ScheduledServices.xml
>>>>>>>> and more...
>>>>>>>>      [java] 2012-06-14 14:23:26,771 (main) [    
>>>>>>>> EntitySaxReader.java:220:INFO ] Beginning import from URL: 
>>>>>>>> file:/Users/Thanakrit/Projects/srk/trunk/framework/service/data/ScheduledServices.xml
>>>>>>>>      [java] 2012-06-14 14:23:26,771 (main) [    
>>>>>>>> EntitySaxReader.java:270:INFO ] Transaction Timeout set to 2 hours 
>>>>>>>> (7200 seconds)
>>>>>>>>      [java] 2012-06-14 14:23:26,870 (main) [   
>>>>>>>> GenericDelegator.java:891:ERROR] Failure in create operation for 
>>>>>>>> entity [JobSandbox]: org.ofbiz.entity.GenericEntityException: Error 
>>>>>>>> while inserting: [GenericEntity:JobSandbox][createdStamp,2012-06-14 
>>>>>>>> 14:23:26.829(java.sql.Timestamp)][createdTxStamp,2012-06-14 
>>>>>>>> 14:23:26.771(java.sql.Timestamp)][jobId,PURGE_OLD_JOBS(java.lang.String)][jobName,Purge
>>>>>>>>  Old Jobs(java.lang.String)][lastUpdatedStamp,2012-06-14 
>>>>>>>> 14:23:26.829(java.sql.Timestamp)][lastUpdatedTxStamp,2012-06-14 
>>>>>>>> 14:23:26.771(java.sql.Timestamp)][maxRecurrenceCount,-1(java.lang.Long)][poolId,pool(java.lang.String)][runAsUser,system(java.lang.String)][runTime,2000-01-01
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 00:00:00.0(java.sql.Timestamp)][serviceName,purgeOldJobs(java.lang.String)][tempExprId,MIDNIGHT_DAILY(java.lang.String)]
>>>>>>>>  (SQL Exception while executing the following:INSERT INTO 
>>>>>>>> OFBIZ.JOB_SANDBOX (JOB_ID, JOB_NAME, RUN_TIME, POOL_ID, STATUS_ID, 
>>>>>>>> PARENT_JOB_ID, PREVIOUS_JOB_ID, SERVICE_NAME, LOADER_NAME, MAX_RETRY, 
>>>>>>>> AUTH_USER_LOGIN_ID, RUN_AS_USER, RUNTIME_DATA_ID, RECURRENCE_INFO_ID, 
>>>>>>>> TEMP_EXPR_ID, CURRENT_RECURRENCE_COUNT, MAX_RECURRENCE_COUNT, 
>>>>>>>> RUN_BY_INSTANCE_ID, START_DATE_TIME, FINISH_DATE_TIME, 
>>>>>>>> CANCEL_DATE_TIME, LAST_UPDATED_STAMP, LAST_UPDATED_TX_STAMP, 
>>>>>>>> CREATED_STAMP, CREATED_TX_STAMP) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, 
>>>>>>>> ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?) (INSERT on table 
>>>>>>>> 'JOB_SANDBOX' caused a violation of foreign key constraint 
>>>>>>>> 'JOB_SNDBX_USRLGN' for key (system).  The statement has been rolled 
>>>>>>>> back.)). Rolling back transaction.
>>>>>>>>      [java] 2012-06-14 14:23:26,871 (main) [    
>>>>>>>> TransactionUtil.java:379:WARN ]
>>>>>>>>      [java] ---- exception report 
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>      [java] [TransactionUtil.setRollbackOnly] Calling transaction 
>>>>>>>> setRollbackOnly; this stack trace shows where this is happening:
>>>>>>>>      [java] Exception: java.lang.Exception
>>>>>>>>      [java] Message: Failure in create operation for entity 
>>>>>>>> [JobSandbox]: org.ofbiz.entity.GenericEntityException: Error while 
>>>>>>>> inserting: [GenericEntity:JobSandbox][createdStamp,2012-06-14 
>>>>>>>> 14:23:26.829(java.sql.Timestamp)][createdTxStamp,2012-06-14 
>>>>>>>> 14:23:26.771(java.sql.Timestamp)][jobId,PURGE_OLD_JOBS(java.lang.String)][jobName,Purge
>>>>>>>>  Old Jobs(java.lang.String)][lastUpdatedStamp,2012-06-14 
>>>>>>>> 14:23:26.829(java.sql.Timestamp)][lastUpdatedTxStamp,2012-06-14 
>>>>>>>> 14:23:26.771(java.sql.Timestamp)][maxRecurrenceCount,-1(java.lang.Long)][poolId,pool(java.lang.String)][runAsUser,system(java.lang.String)][runTime,2000-01-01
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 00:00:00.0(java.sql.Timestamp)][serviceName,purgeOldJobs(java.lang.String)][tempExprId,MIDNIGHT_DAILY(java.lang.String)]
>>>>>>>>  (SQL Exception while executing the following:INSERT INTO 
>>>>>>>> OFBIZ.JOB_SANDBOX (JOB_ID, JOB_NAME, RUN_TIME, POOL_ID, STATUS_ID, 
>>>>>>>> PARENT_JOB_ID, PREVIOUS_JOB_ID, SERVICE_NAME, LOADER_NAME, MAX_RETRY, 
>>>>>>>> AUTH_USER_LOGIN_ID, RUN_AS_USER, RUNTIME_DATA_ID, RECURRENCE_INFO_ID, 
>>>>>>>> TEMP_EXPR_ID, CURRENT_RECURRENCE_COUNT, MAX_RECURRENCE_COUNT, 
>>>>>>>> RUN_BY_INSTANCE_ID, START_DATE_TIME, FINISH_DATE_TIME, 
>>>>>>>> CANCEL_DATE_TIME, LAST_UPDATED_STAMP, LAST_UPDATED_TX_STAMP, 
>>>>>>>> CREATED_STAMP, CREATED_TX_STAMP) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, 
>>>>>>>> ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?) (INSERT on table 
>>>>>>>> 'JOB_SANDBOX' caused a violation of foreign key constraint 
>>>>>>>> 'JOB_SNDBX_USRLGN' for key (system).  The statement has been rolled 
>>>>>>>> back.)). Rolling back transaction.
>>>>>>>>      [java] ---- stack trace 
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