Tom,

Please keep your comments inside the Jira

Thanks

Jacques

Tom Burns wrote:
> Anil,
> ...option of help documents being hosted outside of business application..
> Have you looked at the other open source projects using webhelp?
> 
> I discussed other deployment options in the OFBiz Help Spec.pdf in the 
> helppdf.zip file attached to 4941.
> Please see the following and let me know if this addresses you concerns.
> Copied here for convenience from OFBiz Help Spec.pdf .
> ...
> "OFBiz Help Deployment
> Up until this point the focus has been on deploying webhelp as a vehicle for 
> context sensitive help. A
> docbook xsl / webhelp solution is robust and flexible enough for the 
> deployment in multiple document help
> sites that support large and complex software systems.
> A good example is Rackspace. See http://docs.rackspace.com/api/ . The Getting 
> Started Guides, API
> Developer Guides, Release Notes and other documentation use docbook webhelp 
> integrated with other
> presentation technologies.
> Another example is http://docs.openstack.org/ Administration guides. Each 
> guide is offered in online
> webhelp and PDF generated from a single docbook source.
> The site http://fusesource.com/products/fuse-esb-enterprise/#documentation is 
> another variation that uses
> webhelp. Here the docbook transformations into three presentations: 1. 
> webhelp 2. PDF and 3. Epub are
> clearly defined.
> These notes on presentation are only suggestive of what could be done to 
> improve OFBiz help
> presentation."
> 
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Anil K Patel (JIRA) <j...@apache.org>
> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:50 AM
> Subject: [jira] [Commented] (OFBIZ-4941) Proposal for a new help system
> 
> 
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> 
> Anil K Patel commented on OFBIZ-4941:
> -------------------------------------
> 
> Current implementation and proposed help system have too many touch points 
> with framework and application. It will be nice if new
> help implementation addressed this problem. If it did, we would also make 
> some more progress in community goal to shave some fat
> from Ofbiz framework and applications.  
> 
> Both (the current implementation and proposed implementation) don't seem to 
> support for third party hosted help documents. I
> personally like option of help documents being hosted outside of business 
> application. This option opens business opportunity for
> content providers.  
> 
> The proposed solution can be much more easily changed such that, Help 
> documents are rendered by a Ofbiz Help webapplication. The
> help document can be accessed using url 
> https://localhost:8443/ofbizhelp/OrderManager-FindOrder (or similar). This 
> will also mean
> that Ofbiz Help will be a component that can exists in specialpurpose folder. 
> If we go this route all the End User help content
> will live in OfbizHelp component and not in Content application.   
> 
> 
>> Proposal for a new help system
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>>   Key: OFBIZ-4941
>>   URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4941
>>   Project: OFBiz
>> Issue Type: Wish
>> Components: ALL COMPONENTS
>> Affects Versions: SVN trunk
>> Reporter: Jacques Le Roux
>> Assignee: Jacques Le Roux
>> Priority: Minor
>>   Fix For: SVN trunk
>> 
>>   Attachments: content.7z, docbook diff.patch, docbook-xsl-1.77.1.zip, 
>> HelpAccounting.jpg, help_content.jpg, help_ofbizhelp.jpg,
>> helppdf.zip, HelpPerformanceReview1.jpg, HelpPerformanceReview2.jpg, 
>> HelpRoadmap.jpg, help_webhlep.jpg, jh.jar,
>> LicenseFiles.zip, LICENSE.html, OFBIZ-4941.patch, OFBIZ-4941.patch, 
>> OFBIZ-4941.patch, OFBIZ-4941.patch, OFBIZ-4941 POC HR
>> Help.patch, WebhelpFiles.zip, WebhelpFiles.zip, WebhelpHRAppDocbook.zip, 
>> WebhelpHRAppDocbook.zip, webhelp.jpg   
>> 
>> 
>> Quoting Tom Burns at OFBIZ-4869
>> {quote}
>> This is a status update just to let anyone who is interested know that this 
>> item is being worked on.
>> I started out using the OFBiz structure for help docs but after a while I 
>> needed/wanted something more expressive.
>> Here is what I wound up using for development:
>>   Java Help System http://java.net/projects/javahelp/content
>>   DocBook 5: The Definitive Guide
>> http://www.docbook.org/tdg5/en/html/docbook.html
>> http://www.docbook.org/xml/5.0/
>>   DocBook XSL: The Complete Guide
>> http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/index.html
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/docbook/files/docbook-xsl/1.77.1/docbook-xsl-1.77.1.zip
>>   Help Master - FE for managing java help files. Best feature drag and drop 
>> TOC creates TOC matching file folder structure.
>>   Convenient launcher for viewing & testing. 
>> http://www.halogenware.com/software/helpmaster.html XML Mind XML Editor - 
>> Free
>>   Personal Edition is far better then editing in Eclipse. download from 
>> http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/download.shtml Tutorial
>>   - DocBook editing with XML Mind XML Editor. Worth going through 
>> http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/tutorial.html Read Me First
>> style guide from Sun (cost from Amazon 1 cent + shipping) 
>> Attached are some screen shots of the results.
>> Every screen is/will be documented in a similar structure. This is as much 
>> for defining requirements and testing as for help.
>> More work but worth it. 
>> The screenshots show a Java Help format generated using DocBook XSL. This 
>> will likely not be the final presentation format.
>> Note the Performance Review screen shots do not match the trunk. There is a 
>> bug in update screen and I did some clean up of
>> labels and drop-down list. There are issues like this all through the 
>> application so I did not want to get bogged down with
>> patches at this time. {quote}

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