Hi Jacques, Okay based on your feedback I would suggest to create a special page / section in the documentation that has the title "Deploying OFBiz on offline servers" or something like that. I would rather hide this information from a "standard" normal system setup and keep the corner cases away. What you are mentioning is less common scenarios that are rather rare in this age where cloud computing is the norm. This way, you keep things easy for our new users while providing more information for those with special deployment needs.
Regards, Taher Alkhateeb On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:10 PM, jler...@apache.org <jler...@apache.org> wrote: > Taher > > Actually I though more about it, we really need something like that. > > Actually we need to help our users when they are in a situation like I > crossed once and reported here http://markmail.org/message/li > vdricudqdj6tmi : > > "Also, as Pierre outlined, there are situations were you can't use Gradle > but on dev machines. I experienced that, no servers were allowed to connect > to the Internet at all..." > > When I say that we need to help our users I mean that we need to lead them > to a solution, and even if possible provide an easy way for them to build > one. > > In other words, if you have no access to Internet on production servers, > and still want to use Gradle as it comes OOTB, you need to create an use > your own repository. > > This is what we are currently missing in the documentation. We don't need > to provide the mean, but at least to document how to do it. If we could > facilitate the needed work in this case it would be even better... > > Jacques > > > > Le 19/08/2016 à 18:22, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : > >> Hi Jacques, >> >> I think there should be an added value beyond "because it used to be >> there". What is the purpose of keeping it with disclaimers in your >> opinion? >> >> Regards, >> >> Taher Alkhateeb >> >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Jacques Le Roux < >> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Taher, >>> >>> I'd not be against (still in the lean way), but should we not keep at >>> least "java -jar build/libs/ofbiz.jar ?" (with disclaimer words of >>> precaution)? >>> >>> What are other opinions? >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 19/08/2016 à 17:50, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : >>> >>> Hi Jacques, >>>> >>>> On a quick skim through, I highly recommend removing completely any >>>> traces >>>> of "java -jar". The reason for my recommendation is that gradle >>>> automates >>>> the build process. Exposing end-users to how things happen means >>>> exposing >>>> them to implementation details. This has the following negative >>>> outcomes: >>>> >>>> - Users need to be aware of JVM arguments to properly execute commands >>>> - Changes we might decide to do in the future would break existing >>>> systems >>>> because users are exposed to the details of how the system is >>>> constructed. >>>> - The ofbiz.jar which is constructed from gradle has hardcoded library >>>> paths that depend on each user's computer setup. Any changes to the >>>> setup >>>> would not be reflected correctly using raw java commands. This would >>>> probably confuse people a lot and debugging would be a pain. If you let >>>> Gradle take over the whole thing then you minimize the confusion. >>>> - The syntax for java -jar is more complex >>>> >>>> So my recommendation is to replace every occurence of java -jar with >>>> ./gradlew "ofbiz --whatever-commands-here". >>>> >>>> Taher Alkhateeb >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Jacques Le Roux < >>>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>>> I have done some wiki documentation update with respect to Gradle >>>>> recently. Today I got issues with Confluence which broke my working >>>>> flow >>>>> on >>>>> the Apache OFBiz Technical Production Setup Guide < >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+ >>>>> OFBiz+Technical+Production+Setup+Guide> page more than once. So I'd >>>>> appreciate reviews, not only on this page but on all recently changed >>>>> pages. If you follow Confluence changes, you should be aware of them. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Jacques >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
