Hi all, For those who wanted to evaluate JSF further, I have done a simple POC with patch available at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9469.
Best Regards, James Yong On 2017/07/05 15:03:49, "James Yong"<jamesy...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi Michael, > > I agreed it will be going too far if we adopt JSF. > Maybe better value to spend on improving what OFBiz already have. > > Regards, > James Yong > > On 2017/07/04 14:57:33, Michael Brohl <michael.br...@ecomify.de> wrote: > > Hi James, > > > > thanks for your suggestions. > > > > As far as I know, JSF would introduce some new technologies because it > > relies on beans and JSP's (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not sure if we > > want to go so far. > > > > I digged a little deeper into the UI stuff, templates and theming and > > have to correct my summary a bit: I mentioned AngularJS and Bootstrap on > > the same level which is like comparing apples and oranges. AngularJS is > > a client-side JavaScript framework to build single page applications, > > icluding his own model-view-controller mechanism while Bootsrap is a CSS > > framework which provides comprehensive UI elements in a structured way. > > > > I guess that the use of Angular would need a whole lot more changes in > > OFBiz than the use of Bootstrap. > > > > So I tend to think that we have to agree on a CSS framework like > > Bootstrap and rewrite the UI to use the proper CSS classes for this > > framework. That would possibly reduce the complexity and makes this > > statement of mine obsolete: > > > > > - we will need a new approach to be able to "plug in" different UI > > frameworks. We'll need a UI layer who represents the screen contents in > > an abstracted way (possbly an enhanced Freemarker macro library) and > > make it possible to generate HTML code with the right css attributes for > > the target library. > > > > It's maybe too ambitious wanting OFBiz to be able to be used with > > different frameworks. The Bootstrap CSS world is well documented [1] and > > there are a lot of really good looking and functional free templates out > > there. So if we provide the UI code for it, together with one basic > > theme, users can put their own themes on top of it. > > > > Maybe this is a way to come to a competitive UI in a relative short > > amount of time. I don't think that we can afford to make this a > > year-long project. > > > > What do others think? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Michael Brohl > > ecomify GmbH > > www.ecomify.de > > > > [1] https://www.w3schools.com/bootstrap/bootstrap_ref_all_classes.asp > > > > > > Am 03.07.17 um 15:00 schrieb James Yong: > > > Hi Michael and all, > > > > > > We can look into JSF 2.2 as a possible candidate. It is similar to OFBiz > > > Widget and seems to fit the new requirements described so far in this > > > thread. > > > > > > Regards, > > > James Yong > > > > > > On 2017-07-03 17:42 (+0800), Michael Brohl <michael.br...@ecomify.de> > > > wrote: > > >> Hi Sharan, > > >> > > >> thanks for the reminder. > > >> > > >> It's fine to have another theme to choose for the "old" UI, I just want > > >> to point out that (in my mind) the new theme/UI initiative goes far > > >> beyond having just another theme on base of the current technological > > >> stack: > > >> > > >> - new themes should be responsive > > >> > > >> - we should be able to use different UI frameworks like Bootstrap and > > >> AngularJS who take care of responsiveness and browser compatibility > > >> > > >> - it must be easy for developers to write the screen structure and also > > >> easy for webdesigners to build a good design on base of this > > >> > > >> - developers should not care about CSS styles and classes, and > > >> webdesigners should not cara about how the screen snippets are put > > >> together or how the screens get their data. > > >> > > >> - we will need a new approach to be able to "plug in" different UI > > >> frameworks. We'll need a UI layer who represents the screen contents in > > >> an abstracted way (possbly an enhanced Freemarker macro library) and > > >> make it possible to generate HTML code with the right css attributes for > > >> the target library. > > >> > > >> - a rewrite of the screens will be necessary to make the UI less > > >> cluttered and overloaded. This will require some concepts/design work > > >> beforehand > > >> > > >> - there are surely many other possible requirements (I am not a UX or > > >> web design expert) > > >> > > >> > > >> I appreciate the contribution of the new theme. I am also sure that this > > >> will not solve the challenge to drive OFBiz to another level, UI wise. > > >> > > >> Thanks and regards, > > >> > > >> Michael Brohl > > >> ecomify GmbH > > >> www.ecomify.de > > >> > > >> > > >> Am 03.07.17 um 10:52 schrieb Sharan Foga: > > >>> Hi All > > >>> > > >>> Don't forget that we also had the offer of a theme from Provolve and > > >>> Stannah. > > >>> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6985 > > >>> > > >>> This is a theme that they are using at the moment (so it working) and > > >>> have said it could be contributed back to the project. If it's only a > > >>> case of having someone volunteer to implement it into the trunk then > > >>> this could be a way to get a nice theme up and running quickly for us. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks > > >>> Sharan > > >>> > > >>> On 03/07/17 10:29, Michael Brohl wrote: > > >>>> Thanks Nicolas, > > >>>> > > >>>> is there anything, even work in progress, you are able to share at > > >>>> the moment? > > >>>> > > >>>> This way other could chime in and help moving further. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks, > > >>>> > > >>>> Michael Brohl > > >>>> ecomify GmbH > > >>>> www.ecomify.de > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Am 03.07.17 um 09:26 schrieb Nicolas Malin: > > >>>>> Hi Michael > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Le 02/07/2017 à20:42, Michael Brohl a ÃÂécrit : > > >>>>>> Hi Julien, all, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I'd like to resurrect this discussion and the activities to improve > > >>>>>> the OFBiz user interface. I think we really should put some focused > > >>>>>> effort on it if we want OFBiz to be recognized as a modern ERP. > > >>>>>> Also, if we imporve the UI, more users and also developers will be > > >>>>>> attracted which will be a win for the community and further > > >>>>>> development of OFBiz. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Nicolas and others who have started work on this: can you give us > > >>>>>> an update about the efforts undertaken and where we stand? > > >>>>> Currently I block on the comon-theme with a good information > > >>>>> propagation. My next step will be create a dedicate object as > > >>>>> referent on widget context, but my works has been disturb with the > > >>>>> framework separation and the git-svn link break. > > >>>>> Instead of continue, I help some people to work on the groovy > > >>>>> mini-lang conversion. I plan to improve a few the groovy DSL and > > >>>>> after I continue the work on commont-theme. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Nicolas > > >>>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >
