Hi Michael, I agreed it will be going too far if we adopt JSF. Maybe better value to spend on improving what OFBiz already have.
Regards, James Yong On 2017/07/04 14:57:33, Michael Brohl <michael.br...@ecomify.de> wrote: > Hi James, > > thanks for your suggestions. > > As far as I know, JSF would introduce some new technologies because it > relies on beans and JSP's (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not sure if we > want to go so far. > > I digged a little deeper into the UI stuff, templates and theming and > have to correct my summary a bit: I mentioned AngularJS and Bootstrap on > the same level which is like comparing apples and oranges. AngularJS is > a client-side JavaScript framework to build single page applications, > icluding his own model-view-controller mechanism while Bootsrap is a CSS > framework which provides comprehensive UI elements in a structured way. > > I guess that the use of Angular would need a whole lot more changes in > OFBiz than the use of Bootstrap. > > So I tend to think that we have to agree on a CSS framework like > Bootstrap and rewrite the UI to use the proper CSS classes for this > framework. That would possibly reduce the complexity and makes this > statement of mine obsolete: > > > - we will need a new approach to be able to "plug in" different UI > frameworks. We'll need a UI layer who represents the screen contents in > an abstracted way (possbly an enhanced Freemarker macro library) and > make it possible to generate HTML code with the right css attributes for > the target library. > > It's maybe too ambitious wanting OFBiz to be able to be used with > different frameworks. The Bootstrap CSS world is well documented [1] and > there are a lot of really good looking and functional free templates out > there. So if we provide the UI code for it, together with one basic > theme, users can put their own themes on top of it. > > Maybe this is a way to come to a competitive UI in a relative short > amount of time. I don't think that we can afford to make this a > year-long project. > > What do others think? > > Best regards, > > Michael Brohl > ecomify GmbH > www.ecomify.de > > [1] https://www.w3schools.com/bootstrap/bootstrap_ref_all_classes.asp > > > Am 03.07.17 um 15:00 schrieb James Yong: > > Hi Michael and all, > > > > We can look into JSF 2.2 as a possible candidate. It is similar to OFBiz > > Widget and seems to fit the new requirements described so far in this > > thread. > > > > Regards, > > James Yong > > > > On 2017-07-03 17:42 (+0800), Michael Brohl <michael.br...@ecomify.de> wrote: > >> Hi Sharan, > >> > >> thanks for the reminder. > >> > >> It's fine to have another theme to choose for the "old" UI, I just want > >> to point out that (in my mind) the new theme/UI initiative goes far > >> beyond having just another theme on base of the current technological > >> stack: > >> > >> - new themes should be responsive > >> > >> - we should be able to use different UI frameworks like Bootstrap and > >> AngularJS who take care of responsiveness and browser compatibility > >> > >> - it must be easy for developers to write the screen structure and also > >> easy for webdesigners to build a good design on base of this > >> > >> - developers should not care about CSS styles and classes, and > >> webdesigners should not cara about how the screen snippets are put > >> together or how the screens get their data. > >> > >> - we will need a new approach to be able to "plug in" different UI > >> frameworks. We'll need a UI layer who represents the screen contents in > >> an abstracted way (possbly an enhanced Freemarker macro library) and > >> make it possible to generate HTML code with the right css attributes for > >> the target library. > >> > >> - a rewrite of the screens will be necessary to make the UI less > >> cluttered and overloaded. This will require some concepts/design work > >> beforehand > >> > >> - there are surely many other possible requirements (I am not a UX or > >> web design expert) > >> > >> > >> I appreciate the contribution of the new theme. I am also sure that this > >> will not solve the challenge to drive OFBiz to another level, UI wise. > >> > >> Thanks and regards, > >> > >> Michael Brohl > >> ecomify GmbH > >> www.ecomify.de > >> > >> > >> Am 03.07.17 um 10:52 schrieb Sharan Foga: > >>> Hi All > >>> > >>> Don't forget that we also had the offer of a theme from Provolve and > >>> Stannah. > >>> > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6985 > >>> > >>> This is a theme that they are using at the moment (so it working) and > >>> have said it could be contributed back to the project. If it's only a > >>> case of having someone volunteer to implement it into the trunk then > >>> this could be a way to get a nice theme up and running quickly for us. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Sharan > >>> > >>> On 03/07/17 10:29, Michael Brohl wrote: > >>>> Thanks Nicolas, > >>>> > >>>> is there anything, even work in progress, you are able to share at > >>>> the moment? > >>>> > >>>> This way other could chime in and help moving further. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> Michael Brohl > >>>> ecomify GmbH > >>>> www.ecomify.de > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Am 03.07.17 um 09:26 schrieb Nicolas Malin: > >>>>> Hi Michael > >>>>> > >>>>> Le 02/07/2017 à 20:42, Michael Brohl a écrit : > >>>>>> Hi Julien, all, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'd like to resurrect this discussion and the activities to improve > >>>>>> the OFBiz user interface. I think we really should put some focused > >>>>>> effort on it if we want OFBiz to be recognized as a modern ERP. > >>>>>> Also, if we imporve the UI, more users and also developers will be > >>>>>> attracted which will be a win for the community and further > >>>>>> development of OFBiz. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Nicolas and others who have started work on this: can you give us > >>>>>> an update about the efforts undertaken and where we stand? > >>>>> Currently I block on the comon-theme with a good information > >>>>> propagation. My next step will be create a dedicate object as > >>>>> referent on widget context, but my works has been disturb with the > >>>>> framework separation and the git-svn link break. > >>>>> Instead of continue, I help some people to work on the groovy > >>>>> mini-lang conversion. I plan to improve a few the groovy DSL and > >>>>> after I continue the work on commont-theme. > >>>>> > >>>>> Nicolas > >>>> > >> > >> > > >
