Hi Maxim, yes sorry I had no time yesterday what exactly is the different between height/width and flv_height/flv_width. I will try to come back on that later.
Sebastian 2014-03-07 6:35 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>: > Hello Sebastian, > > can you please update > OPENMEETINGS-936<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-936> with > as detailed repo steps as possible > I'll try to modify the screen sharing applet to address your issue, but > detailed steps might help > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I have just checked the file you have created: >> >> [flashsv @ 0x28fcd60] Frame width or height differs from first frame! >> [flashsv @ 0x28fcd60] fh = 810, fv 1440 vs ch = 1080, cv = 1920 >> Error while decoding stream #0:0: Invalid data found when processing input >> >> According to the file header: >> Stream #0:0: Video: flashsv ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), bgr24, 1440x800, >> q=2-31, 200 kb/s, 1k tbn, 10 tbc >> >> so the header says: >> Frame height: 800 >> The frame itself says: >> Frame height: 810 >> >> No sure how this possible. >> >> According to flvrecording database table: >> >> mysql> select height, width, flv_height, flv_width from flvrecording >> where id = 226; >> +--------+-------+------------+-----------+ >> | height | width | flv_height | flv_width | >> +--------+-------+------------+-----------+ >> | 810 | 1440 | 800 | 1440 | >> +--------+-------+------------+-----------+ >> >> why do we have both height and flv_height what is the difference? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> I'll ask Vasiliy to share his recording and/or create another one. >>> Will try to check your recording in the morning >>> seems like it have no videodata (or broken videodata) :( >>> Not sure what can be done here, but i'll check >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:03 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Does it take for you also that long when you hit the stop button until >>>> the >>>> recording UI does really stop and switch the button state ? >>>> >>>> Can we have a look at the 1 hour recording, can you put that in the >>>> public >>>> folder too ? >>>> >>>> I created another video on demo.dataved.ru using a Windows machine. I >>>> put >>>> it into the public folder. >>>> This time the recording has not visual, only audio. I also cannot see >>>> any >>>> kind of error. The AVI file when I download it has less then 1 MB. >>>> Would you mind checking what was wrong with it? It is flvRecordingId >>>> 226. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Sebastian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-03-06 1:05 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> > I haven't monitored Red5 CPU usage >>>> > But the system is very responsive (Maybe because it is core i7 8 >>>> cores, >>>> > 8Gb) >>>> > I see no performance degradation. >>>> > >>>> > The stream is still being written to the disc asynchronously (this >>>> code was >>>> > slightly optimized) >>>> > I have put the recording made just now on my machine to the same >>>> public >>>> > group, you can check it. >>>> > >>>> > Vasiliy was able to create recording with duration ~1 hour (while >>>> > performing test plan for this RC) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>>> > seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Hi Maxim, >>>> > > >>>> > > The other topics to be covered in another conversation, I think this >>>> > issue >>>> > > is worth a separated thread. >>>> > > >>>> > > "Could you please move your recording into Public (Openmeetings) >>>> group >>>> > so I >>>> > > can take a look at it?" >>>> > > => I did just that now. >>>> > > >>>> > > "All test recordings I have made were made locally, should will try >>>> to do >>>> > > it on demo." >>>> > > => I did try locally too, but the recordings are not really >>>> working. The >>>> > > recorded file freezes after 10-20 sec. Sound sometimes continues >>>> > sometimes >>>> > > sound stops too. >>>> > > >>>> > > If I start a recording I can see two processes jump in the CPU >>>> usage: >>>> > > 1) Screensharing application to 40-50% >>>> > > 2) The red5 server process jumps to 100%CPU (or what is leftover >>>> after >>>> > the >>>> > > screen-sharing webapp takes 40%) >>>> > > >>>> > > So did you monitor the red5 server process CPU while doing a >>>> > screen-sharing >>>> > > recording? >>>> > > I think the high server side CPU usage might be also the reason why >>>> when >>>> > > you click on the stop recording button for ages just nothing >>>> happens. >>>> > > >>>> > > We had a similar problem in the past where the red5 cpu started to >>>> use >>>> > 100% >>>> > > of the CPU while recording. The issue at that time was that the >>>> packets >>>> > > could not be written fast enough to disk. So I implemented the >>>> asynch >>>> > > stream writer with the BlockingQueue that caches the packets and >>>> starts a >>>> > > separated Thread to write the packets to disk in a reasonable >>>> interval. >>>> > > That is also why there is this wait period/check in the recordings >>>> > > processing that needs to wait until all data really is written to >>>> disk >>>> > > [see: BaseConverter#waitForTheStream()]. >>>> > > At that point in time that seemed to solve the problem. >>>> > > >>>> > > However the source of the issue might be also a purely red5 related >>>> > issue. >>>> > > Nevertheless I think we need to solve/verify it. >>>> > > >>>> > > At some point the screen-sharing webapp became just completely >>>> > > unresponsive. And only by killing the process of the screen-sharing >>>> app >>>> > the >>>> > > red5 server side process did also reduce CPU usage to a reasonable >>>> level. >>>> > > >>>> > > Do you experience a similar problem with the red5 server process >>>> while >>>> > > doing a recording ? >>>> > > I do not completely deny that it might be also a hardware problem, >>>> for >>>> > > instance if the disk is too slow. But I am using a SSD flash disk >>>> :) So >>>> > > that should be fast enough :) However in the future we might need to >>>> > > revisit the write speed for the stream writer that writes the queue >>>> to >>>> > > disk. >>>> > > >>>> > > The problem with this high Red5 Cpu usage in the past was also that >>>> it >>>> > will >>>> > > slow down pretty much anything, for instance all other streams even >>>> in >>>> > > other conference rooms will become slow-motion, funny sound effects >>>> et >>>> > > cetera. >>>> > > >>>> > > Sebastian >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > 2014-03-04 23:47 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>: >>>> > > >>>> > > > Hello Sebastian, >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Thanks for detailed testing >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Could you please move your recording into Public (Openmeetings) >>>> group >>>> > so >>>> > > I >>>> > > > can take a look at it? >>>> > > > All test recordings I have made were made locally, should will >>>> try to >>>> > do >>>> > > it >>>> > > > on demo. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > now will try to answer in bullet list: >>>> > > > 1) "Can we make it that somehow that it will be displayed >>>> directly" I >>>> > can >>>> > > > propose to choose an icon from FamFam set (for ex. time.png, >>>> > > hourglass.png, >>>> > > > clock.png, clock_pause.png) will appreciate any help on this >>>> since I >>>> > > > personally not really like all the icons I have mentioned. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > 2) "Previously you did get the pop warning 'not ready' directly >>>> on a >>>> > > click >>>> > > > on the recording when it is not yet ready for viewing." I don't >>>> really >>>> > > like >>>> > > > those pop ups since I find it annoying, I believe correct icon is >>>> > better >>>> > > > solution. (Maybe tooltip should be added) >>>> > > > >>>> > > > 3) "but I cannot load the debug window on that server." currently >>>> debug >>>> > > is >>>> > > > only available if wicket is run in debug mode, this might need to >>>> be >>>> > > > corrected (or maybe not since room should be rewritten) >>>> > > > >>>> > > > 4) Also you send me another issue report: contact request email >>>> has >>>> > > fields >>>> > > > mixed up (from and to user names are mixed) >>>> > > > >>>> > > > 5) "What about the attribute 'length' of the recording" this fild >>>> of >>>> > the >>>> > > > recording is not being filled. What should be written in it? >>>> recording >>>> > > > duration? recording file length? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > 6) Appointments inside private messages were reported to was >>>> broken in >>>> > > > previous versions as well, so we need to file an issue and fix in >>>> in >>>> > > > 3.1.0/3.0.1 >>>> > > > >>>> > > > What is your resume? >>>> > > > Should we release or wait for RC3? what of the above are blockers? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:27 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>>> > > > seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > "not ready status will be displayed after click on "!" icon in >>>> the >>>> > > > popup." >>>> > > > > I did not get a not ready status displayed. I see the icon on >>>> the >>>> > left, >>>> > > > but >>>> > > > > neither by clicking on the icon nor on the recording anything >>>> > happens. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Can we make it that somehow that it will be displayed directly >>>> when >>>> > you >>>> > > > > click on the recording? >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Having links that you click and under some circumstances nothing >>>> > > happens >>>> > > > > are just very hard to understand for end-users. Previously you >>>> did >>>> > get >>>> > > > the >>>> > > > > pop warning 'not ready' directly on a click on the recording >>>> when it >>>> > is >>>> > > > not >>>> > > > > yet ready for viewing. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > I tried to do three recordings on demo.dataved.ru, all failed. >>>> > > Possibly >>>> > > > > because I am using Mac and/or bandwidth issues. >>>> > > > > I was able to produce a recording at the 06th of February on >>>> that >>>> > > server >>>> > > > > with a Mac, so it is not a general issue. >>>> > > > > In the error log window I can see some ffmpeg command fails (see >>>> > > attached >>>> > > > > on the bottom of the mail some example) >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > But the screen sharer itself stayed at 50% of the CPU which is >>>> > > acceptable >>>> > > > > for the first release of 3.x.x from my point of view. >>>> > > > > Just to get some recordings produced with it would be something >>>> I >>>> > would >>>> > > > be >>>> > > > > keen to verify. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Another issues was that I cannot enter a room on >>>> > demo.dataved.ruafter a >>>> > > > > while. I just stuck in the screen when the loading bar in front >>>> of >>>> > > > entering >>>> > > > > the conference room is complete. I guess there is some null >>>> pointer >>>> > > > > exception in the code but I cannot load the debug window on that >>>> > > server. >>>> > > > > I was using the "remember me" cookie, after deleting the cookie >>>> and >>>> > > > > re-login entering the room did work again. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > What about the attribute "length" of the recording in the UI, >>>> the >>>> > field >>>> > > > > seems to be simply not filled with any value yet, even if the >>>> > recording >>>> > > > was >>>> > > > > successful. Is that not implemented yet? >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Btw the autocomplete box in the private message center and >>>> calendar >>>> > is >>>> > > > > a-w-e-s-o-m-e >>>> > > > > I think we should leave it as is. Normally you can only send >>>> messages >>>> > > to >>>> > > > > your contacts, but I think like that it is even better. The old >>>> one >>>> > was >>>> > > > too >>>> > > > > restrictive to be intuitive. >>>> > > > > When attaching a meeting request with a date/time to a private >>>> > message >>>> > > > ... >>>> > > > > it did not show up in my calendar afterwards. Is that something >>>> that >>>> > > > needs >>>> > > > > to done still ? >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > This is the FFMPEG error on all my recordings: >>>> > > > > process: previewFullFLV command: ffmpeg -i >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> /opt/openmeetings-3.0.0.r1573575/webapps/openmeetings/streams/hibernate/flvRecording_210.flv >>>> > > > > -vcodec mjpeg -vframes 1 -an -f rawvideo -s 1072x672 >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> /opt/openmeetings-3.0.0.r1573575/webapps/openmeetings/streams/hibernate/flvRecording_210.jpg >>>> > > > > exception: null error: ffmpeg version git-2013-10-22-c68faca >>>> > Copyright >>>> > > > (c) >>>> > > > > 2000-2013 the FFmpeg developers built on Oct 22 2013 12:58:25 >>>> with >>>> > gcc >>>> > > > 4.6 >>>> > > > > (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) configuration: >>>> > > --prefix=/root/ffmpeg_build >>>> > > > > --extra-cflags=-I/root/ffmpeg_build/include >>>> > > > > --extra-ldflags=-L/root/ffmpeg_build/lib --bindir=/root/bin >>>> > > > > --extra-libs=-ldl --enable-gpl --enable-libass >>>> --enable-libfdk-aac >>>> > > > > --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopus --enable-libtheora >>>> > > > --enable-libvorbis >>>> > > > > --enable-libvpx --enable-libx264 --enable-nonfree >>>> --enable-x11grab >>>> > > > > libavutil 52. 47.101 / 52. 47.101 libavcodec 55. 37.102 / 55. >>>> 37.102 >>>> > > > > libavformat 55. 19.103 / 55. 19.103 libavdevice 55. 4.100 / 55. >>>> 4.100 >>>> > > > > libavfilter 3. 89.100 / 3. 89.100 libswscale 2. 5.101 / 2. 5.101 >>>> > > > > libswresample 0. 17.104 / 0. 17.104 libpostproc 52. 3.100 / 52. >>>> > 3.100 >>>> > > > [flv >>>> > > > > @ 0x3693900] Could not find codec parameters for stream 0 >>>> (Video: >>>> > none, >>>> > > > 200 >>>> > > > > kb/s): unspecified size Consider increasing the value for the >>>> > > > > 'analyzeduration' and 'probesize' options Input #0, flv, from >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> '/opt/openmeetings-3.0.0.r1573575/webapps/openmeetings/streams/hibernate/flvRecording_210.flv': >>>> > > > > Metadata: noaudiocodec : 0 server : Red5 Server 1.0.0 RC3 Rev: >>>> 4393 >>>> > > > > creationdate : Tue Mar 04 08:04:03 CET 2014 canSeekToEnd : true >>>> > > encoder : >>>> > > > > Lavf55.19.103 Duration: 00:01:28.87, start: 0.000000, bitrate: >>>> 593 >>>> > kb/s >>>> > > > > Stream #0:0: Video: none, 200 kb/s, 1k tbr, 1k tbn, 1k tbc >>>> Stream >>>> > #0:1: >>>> > > > > Audio: mp3, 22050 Hz, mono, s16p, 32 kb/s Output #0, rawvideo, >>>> to >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> '/opt/openmeetings-3.0.0.r1573575/webapps/openmeetings/streams/hibernate/flvRecording_210.jpg': >>>> > > > > Metadata: noaudiocodec : 0 server : Red5 Server 1.0.0 RC3 Rev: >>>> 4393 >>>> > > > > creationdate : Tue Mar 04 08:04:03 CET 2014 canSeekToEnd : true >>>> > > encoder : >>>> > > > > Lavf55.19.103 Output file #0 does not contain any stream >>>> exitValue: >>>> > > null >>>> > > > > out: >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Sebastian >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > 2014-03-04 20:18 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik < >>>> solomax...@gmail.com>: >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > Currently "not ready" recordings are marked as "broken" (same >>>> "!" >>>> > > icon) >>>> > > > > > not ready status will be displayed after click on "!" icon in >>>> the >>>> > > > popup. >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > interview recordings are now converted as fast as ordinary >>>> > > recordings. >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > Icon can be changed, please suggest one :) (Do you feel it is >>>> > > blocker? >>>> > > > or >>>> > > > > > maybe we can release 3.0.1 will all such minor fixes?) >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > http://demo.dataved.ru:5080/ contains the same SNAPSHOT >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:12 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>>> > > > > > seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > > wrote: >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > I think there is still a slight glitch with the recordings >>>> UI. >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > Previously, when a recording was not yet ready for viewing >>>> > (because >>>> > > > it >>>> > > > > is >>>> > > > > > > still processing) there was a message in the UI telling you >>>> that. >>>> > > In >>>> > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > case of interviews there was even a progress includes in >>>> > > percentages >>>> > > > as >>>> > > > > > > interviews take 1 minutes of processing time for the >>>> rendering of >>>> > > a 1 >>>> > > > > > > minute of video. >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > If you at the moment are too fast in switching to the UI and >>>> > there >>>> > > > was >>>> > > > > > some >>>> > > > > > > kind of error or its kind of simply not ready for viewing >>>> you >>>> > click >>>> > > > on >>>> > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > video and just nothing happens. >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > What is the current mechanism? Do we catch in the >>>> recordings UI >>>> > if >>>> > > > the >>>> > > > > > > video is ready for viewing or not? >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > Thanks, >>>> > > > > > > Sebastian >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > 2014-03-04 19:54 GMT+13:00 seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>>> > > > > seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > >: >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Well if its just me I do not want to complain. >>>> > > > > > > > I am using a Mac, probably that is part of the problem. >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Let me try to run a couple of tests. >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Btw: Is http://demo.dataved.ru:5080/ the same SNAPSHOT >>>> that is >>>> > > up >>>> > > > > for >>>> > > > > > a >>>> > > > > > > > vote? >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Thanks! >>>> > > > > > > > Sebastian >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > 2014-03-04 17:14 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik < >>>> > > solomax...@gmail.com >>>> > > > >: >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Hello Sebastian, >>>> > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > >> I was unable to fix high CPU usage because I can't see >>>> it :( >>>> > > > > > > >> We have tried to reproduce it on our machines (me and >>>> Vasiliy, >>>> > > > > Vasiliy >>>> > > > > > > >> provides you with his measurements), but it is not >>>> > reproducible. >>>> > > > > > > >> No additional comments were provided, so this issue have >>>> been >>>> > > > > > postponed >>>> > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:08 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>>> > > > > > > >> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > >> > Hi Maxim, >>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > >> > Thanks, I think one of the major obstacles has been >>>> the CPU >>>> > > > usage >>>> > > > > of >>>> > > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > > >> > screen sharing application. >>>> > > > > > > >> > Did we reduce the CPU usage significantly? >>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > >> > Thanks, >>>> > > > > > > >> > Sebastian >>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > >> > 2014-03-04 5:41 GMT+13:00 Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com>: >>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > +1 >>>> > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > ------------------- >>>> > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > El lun, 03-03-2014 a las 23:09 +0700, Maxim >>>> Solodovnik >>>> > > > escribió: >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear OpenMeetings Community, >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache >>>> > > > > OpenMeetings >>>> > > > > > > >> 3.0.0 >>>> > > > > > > >> > > RC2 >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Main changes are covered in the >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Readme: >>>> > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/3.0.0RC2/README >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Full Changelog: >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > >>>> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/3.0.0RC2/CHANGELOG >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Release artefacts: >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/3.0.0/rc2/ >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Tag: >>>> > > > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/3.0.0RC2/ >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > PGP release keys (signed using >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > C467526E): >>>> > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/3.0.0/rc2/KEYS >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Vote will be open for 72 hours. >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > [ ] +1 approve >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > [ ] +0 no opinion >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > My vote is +1. >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > >> > -- >>>> > > > > > > >> > Sebastian Wagner >>>> > > > > > > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >>>> > > > > > > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de >>>> > > > > > > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >>>> > > > > > > >> > seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > >> -- >>>> > > > > > > >> WBR >>>> > > > > > > >> Maxim aka solomax >>>> > > > > > > >> >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > -- >>>> > > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner >>>> > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >>>> > > > > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de >>>> > > > > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >>>> > > > > > > > seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > -- >>>> > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner >>>> > > > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >>>> > > > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de >>>> > > > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >>>> > > > > > > seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > -- >>>> > > > > > WBR >>>> > > > > > Maxim aka solomax >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > -- >>>> > > > > Sebastian Wagner >>>> > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >>>> > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de >>>> > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >>>> > > > > seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > -- >>>> > > > WBR >>>> > > > Maxim aka solomax >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > -- >>>> > > Sebastian Wagner >>>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >>>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de >>>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >>>> > > seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > WBR >>>> > Maxim aka solomax >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sebastian Wagner >>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock >>>> http://www.webbase-design.de >>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com >>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> WBR >>> Maxim aka solomax >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> WBR >> Maxim aka solomax >> > > > > -- > WBR > Maxim aka solomax > -- Sebastian Wagner https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock http://www.webbase-design.de http://www.wagner-sebastian.com seba.wag...@gmail.com
