On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 2:46 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 12.01.2013 00:39, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> >>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: >>> >>>> Am 01/11/2013 03:06 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: >>>>> On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Oliver-Rainer, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: >>>>>>>> I have finished the renaming from "OpenOffice.org" to "Apache >>>>>>>> OpenOffice" - see issue 121388. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has >>>>>>>> impact on the following important and critical stuff: - >>>>>>>> folder/directory names - package names - Windows registry key names >>>>>>>> and values - ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also changed, >>>>>>>> the user profile of a former installed AOO (or OOo) version is not >>>>>>>> taken over. >>>>>>> for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one find >>>>>>> the concrete strings for folder/directory names on the various >>>>>>> operating system platforms and the Windows registry key names and >>>>>>> values? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also had >>>>>> not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint, >>>>>> hint, hint :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one of >>>>>> the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made. >>>>>> >>>>>> The product installation folder is more or less a form of the >>>>>> $PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.: - Windows: "Apache >>>>>> OpenOffice 3" - Linux: "apache_openoffice3" On Linux platforms we have >>>>>> also the basis installation folder. It name is found in >>>>>> /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst >>>>>> >>>>>> The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version >>>>>> number]/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope that helps a little bit. >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for >>>>> the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the >>>>> menu... >>>>> >>>>> We changed "OpenOffice.org" to "Apache OpenOffice" so good so far. But >>>>> would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply >>>>> OpenOffice >>>>> >>>>> Folders Linux: /opt/openoffice4 Mac: OpenOffice.app Windows: OpenOffice >>>>> 4 >>>>> >>>>> Tools Option OpenOffice OpenOffice Writer OpenOffice ... >>>>> >>>>> Help OpenOffice instead of hundreds of "Apache OpenOffice" >>>>> >>>>> The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice but >>>>> in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The >>>>> intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use "Apache >>>>> OpenOffice". >>>>> >>>>> Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work but >>>>> now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today but >>>>> it have to checked to be safe. >>>>> >>>>> What's your opinion? >>>> >>>> In general a very good idea: Shorter menu entries, etc. and a higher >>>> attention of the open source product. >>>> >>>> And yes, we should get this clarified from trademarks@. >>> >>> If it is called Apache OpenOffice software or product on first use on >>> certain >>> pages then it is permissible to use short forms like OpenOffice in various >>> places. There is no trouble with that approach. Look at the Apache Hadoop >>> project's home page - http://hadoop.apache.org/ >>> >>> We should make sure that somewhere we use OpenOffice.org ® for the link to >>> the website to preserve that trademark in certain jurisdictions. >>> >> >> As you might have seen, I also changed "OpenOffice.org website" to "Apache >> OpenOffice website" in some place of the help content. >> >> Dave, do you think we should keep "OpenOffice.org" in such cases? > > In order to preserve registered trademark in places like China we have to > have places where we show and use OpenOffice.org®. > > Using that for the website is one easy and important way to do that. > > Is there room for a phase like "The Apache OpenOffice product website at > OpenOffice.org®"? >
That won't work. The trademark is registered as: "Computer software for use in database management, for use as a spreadsheet, for word processing, that may be downloaded from a global computer network; computer programs, namely, presentation graphics programs, that may be downloaded from a global computer network; software for processing images, graphics and text, that may be downloaded from a global computer network; software for typesetting of equations and formulae, that may be downloaded from a global computer network." We cannot properly use it as a trademark for a website. Or at least using it for the website does not count as continued use of the trademark as registered. But isn't it sufficient that we still distribute and support OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 and earlier? We still get downloads for earlier versions. Our website and forums still deal with earlier versions (in addition to AOO). So OpenOffice.org is a trademark still in use by us. Regards, -Rob > We should likely include this in the footer in the website. Probably this > needs to be a full discussion under its own topic. > > Regards, > Dave > >> >> Best regards, Oliver. >
