On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Marcus (OOo) <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote: > Am 02/12/2013 08:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: > >> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Pedro Giffuni<p...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hello; >>> >>> I don't understand, >>> >>> I saw a bug (erroneous result returned by a function) and I fixed >>> it respecting the standards, thereby enhancing interperability >>> with the market leader. >>> >>> I am aware that Rob has a different point of view here but so >> >> >> By my count, those who expressed concern about your patch are; >> >> - Me >> - Regina >> - Andre >> - Stuart >> - Günter >> >> I think this is a non-trivial amount opposition, including from some >> whose opinions you might respect more than mine. >> >>> far neither him nor Stephen Hawking has explained how the change >>> would be incorrect and no example where someone has been affected >>> by this change has been provided. >>> >> >> You can't have it both ways. Your claimed benefit is intrinsically >> tied to breaking compatibility with earlier versions of OpenOffice. >> You cannot both claim that it has a significant interop benefit and >> also claim that it has a negligible backwards compatibility impact. > > > IMHO nobody wrote that there is a significant improvement in direction of > better compatibility. Of course it's just a step of 1 per mill. > > Some facts from the issue itself: > > - open since 2010-09-09 > - only 2 votes (from author of comment #2) > - only 4 mail addresses on CC (all from apache) > - only 3 comments (before our discussion started) > > From my point of view this issue is of very low interest for others - > compared with other issues. > > But as nobody has delievered a valid use case, we're talking about a > theoretically possibility of broken spreadsheets and therefore spent already > too much of our time for this discussion. >
Sorry, if it wasn't clear. I have a spreadsheet on my hard-drive right now that would be break if we changed the behavior of 0^0. Regards, -Rob > I propose to keep the change as it is now. > > My 2 ct. > > Marcus > > > > > >>> Has the patch been vetoed, and if so on what basis? >>> >>> Pedro. >>> >>> >>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> Da: Dennis E. Hamilton<dennis.hamil...@acm.org> >>>> A: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>> Cc: dwhyt...@gmail.com; pesce...@apache.org; 'Pedro >>>> Giffuni'<p...@apache.org> >>>> Inviato: Martedì 12 Febbraio 2013 13:11 >>>> Oggetto: RE: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0 >>>> >>>> RESOLUTION OF THE PROPOSAL >>>> >>>> The proposed change was made under CTR (Commit then Review). There has >>>> been >>>> a subsequent review and, as Don points out, the discussion has been >>>> lengthy >>>> and vocal. >>>> >>>> The objective is to achieve consensus. I believe it is clear that there >>>> is >>>> no consensus on the proposed change and the proposal fails. >>>> >>>> I can't speak for the AOO PMC. It would be useful if Andreas helped >>>> wrap >>>> this up. If the lack of consensus is affirmed, Pedro can revert the >>>> change >>>> and adjust the Bugzilla issue. >>>> >>>> THE ESSENCE OF THE PROPOSAL >>>> >>>> The proposal is to enact the breaking change as described on >>>> the Community Wiki at >>>> >>>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes> >>>> . >>>> >>>> It is under Changes that Impact Backward Compatibility, Calc and >>>> OpenFormula >>>> Support. >>>> >>>> "Exponentiation >>>> >>>> "The current version of Calc produces 1 for POWER(0,0). This is one of >>>> the >>>> implementation-defined results that is permitted by ODF 1.2 OpenFormula. >>>> >>>> "It is proposed to change POWER(0,0) to result in #VALUE!. This is also >>>> permitted as the implementation-defined result. This is also compatible >>>> with Excel and the Excel 2013 support for ODF 1.2 OpenFormula in .ods >>>> Spreadsheets. ..." >>>> >>>> OUTCOME >>>> >>>> The proposed change is tracked in Bugzilla Issue #114430, >>>> < https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=114430>. >>>> >>>> A patch to implement this proposal is already included in the SVN. >>>> If the proposal is not accepted as the result of CTR review, the >>>> Issue will be closed and the patch reverted. >>>> >>>> - Dennis >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhyt...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 09:20 >>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>> Subject: Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0 >>>> >>>> ...So I got curious, and I paged back in my email archive, and it >>>> seems this is the biggest AOO dev thread since the graduation vote >>>> back in early September. >>>> >>>> At this point, does anyone care enough about changing the status quo >>>> as to put up a coherent proposal to be voted on? >>>> >>>> Don
