Reina, I am going to attempt a fresh install of Symphony to see if I can duplicate the problem. I will be installing on Windows Vista (x86) in a Virtual Machine. It has no Java installed. I will remove OpenOffice 3.4.0 and also perform a full security scan before I install Symphony.
I think you said you are using Windows 7. Is that correct? I am going to download from this site: <http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home>. I will download Lotus Symphony 3.0.1, the Fixpack 2 for Lotus Symphony 3.0.1 (it might not be a full install), the Spell Check Dictionaries. I'll perform the installation in that order. If there is some interference involving other software, I may not have the same experience as you. I will have Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender active, however. I have no accessibility software installed or activated on the system. - Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Waldorf PC [mailto:waldor...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 00:51 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Problems with Accessibility in Open Office Hello: I tried twice to download Symphony, and I am running into complications. Both times, I have received the following error: --------------------------- IBM Lotus Symphony --------------------------- The launcher failed with an error. Refer to C:\Users\Reina\IBM\Lotus\Symphony\\logs\rcplauncher.log for more information. --------------------------- OK I did click on the “okay” button, and the installation continued. I did, and the window containing the installer closed automatically. Then, I tried clicking on the program from my desktop and my start menu; however, the program did not open. I can try to troubleshoot it when I have a lot of time; however, I am wondering if there are any tips you or Dennis can offer for trying to get the program to work. I will try whatever you can offer me. I have also tried uninstalling this program from my computer, but it does not show up in my control panel. If I need to remove it, and it is possible I will need to because it is not working properly, I will have to remove Symphony manually using more extensive methods. I look forward to getting this program to work, so I can analyze it and provide my input to you, since you will be using much of this code. Warm regards, Reina Grosvalet On 3/15/13, Waldorf PC <waldor...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Rob: > > I wish I had seen your message before I saw Dennis's. I will merely > disregard Open Office 3 and check out what you have sent me in this > email. Let me know when you wish for me to do my testing and > reporting, and I will be happy to perform these tasks. I assume it > will be okay for me to send these test cases to the list? Please let > me know. > > Thank you so much for everything. > > Warm regards, > Reina Grosvalet > > On 3/15/13, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Waldorf PC <waldor...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi there: >>> >>> You are correct about the limited functionality of the JAVA Access >>> Bridge, hence the reason it is never recommended to developers by 508 >>> compliance analysts as an accessibility fix. The intensions were good >>> when developing thebridge, but it is not a good fix. >>> >>> When I am done my work for the day, I can write up a detailed >>> explanation concerning what works in terms of accessibility, like how >>> to make a UI that is compatible with assistive technologies. I will be >>> happy to do that for you. >>> >> >> Hi Reina, >> >> Testing or reporting on what OpenOffice 3.4.1 does today is probably >> not very useful since we're moving over to an entirely different >> approach. IBM contributed the source code for their Lotus Symphony >> product, and we're integrating the IAccesible2 support from that. A >> great deal of analysis was done at IBM before they did that work. So >> a good preview of the support we should end up with in the end is what >> Symphony has today: >> http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home >> >> Of course, we'll probably introduce some bugs while we are porting >> that code over to OpenOffice. So testing of the 4.0 and 4.1 version >> of OpenOffice, before we release it, will be key. >> >> -Rob >> >>> Warm regards, >>> Reina Grosvalet >>> >>> On 3/15/13, Jürgen Schmidt <jogischm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 3/15/13 4:38 PM, Waldorf PC wrote: >>>>> Hi there: >>>>> >>>>> So, what you are saying is that I will need to use the JAVA >>>>> Accessibility API along with that Open Office application? Honestly, >>>>> native controls work much better for assistive technologies. I am not >>>>> sure how much your developers are familiar with coding for >>>>> accessibility; however, there are some specific things that can be >>>>> done if you want your application to use its own UI rather than native >>>>> controls. >>>> >>>> Java Accessibility is what we had today and which has limited >>>> functionality. That is the reason why we work on the IAccessibility2 >>>> integration. >>>> >>>> It makes more sense to focus on this and I am sure your knowledge and >>>> experience will be of big help for us when we have more to test for >>>> you. >>>> >>>> Juergen >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I tried using function f6 upon opening the application, but i had no >>>>> such luck. I still cannot choose the template I want, like the writing >>>>> document or spread sheet. >>>>> >>>>> i thank you so much for your diligence with this matter. You guys are >>>>> so great! :) >>>>> >>>>> On 3/15/13, Joost Andrae <joost.and...@gmx.de> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Reina, >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My name is Reina Grosvalet, and I am displeased about the fact that >>>>>>> Open Office is not accessible for blind computer users, as this >>>>>>> program does not work with screen reading and other assistive >>>>>>> technologies. Blind people, just like everyone else, want a free >>>>>>> word >>>>>>> processing option that works just as well as MS Office. Blind >>>>>>> freelancers can especially benefit from your program >>>>>>> beingaccessible, >>>>>>> as well as blind entrepreneurs, students and professionals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some of the tools you're using with MS Office don't work well with >>>>>> other >>>>>> programs that use it's own UI controls instead of native controls. >>>>>> OpenOffice currently exposes it's information to accessive technology >>>>>> via Java Accessibility API on Windows and via GNOME Accessibility API >>>>>> on >>>>>> Linux/Solaris with GNOME and on Mac via NSAcessibility. Some >>>>>> developers >>>>>> here are currently working on support for IAccessible2. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAccessible2 >>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Accessibility/IAccessible2_support >>>>>> >>>>>> Have a look here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/ui/accessibility/at-support.html >>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Accessibility >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because I am a certified 508 Compliance Analyst, I can provide >>>>>>> detailed feedback concerninghow you can make your program one >>>>>>> hundred >>>>>>> percent accessible, so the millions of blind computer users around >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> world will be able to benefit from it along with everyone else. If >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> need proof of my certificates, I will be glad to send them to you. A >>>>>>> plus is that I am also totally blind, so I can provide feedback from >>>>>>> the point of view of someone who is blind. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> in order to give you an idea of some of the problems I see, I am >>>>>>> going >>>>>>> to provide you with a mini report below. this report states: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. The installer has buttons that are clearly labeled with text that >>>>>>> can be clearly accessed using keyboard navigation. this is a plus >>>>>>> because a blind computer user is able to successfully install the >>>>>>> program on his or her computer without any sighted help. >>>>>>> 2. The buttons in the installer all have corresponding access keys, >>>>>>> like alt+n for next and alt+f for finish. This is very helpful for >>>>>>> screen reader users and for those who use assistive technologies >>>>>>> because these access keys allow such users to complete functions >>>>>>> quickly. >>>>>>> 3. Upon opening the program, however, i notice that a blind computer >>>>>>> user is not able to access any of its functions using keyboard >>>>>>> navigation. the blind user cannot select the type of template heor >>>>>>> she >>>>>>> wishes to use, like a spreadssheet or text document. Drop down menus >>>>>>> cannot be accessed using any form of keyboard navigation, like using >>>>>>> the alt key to access the menus like in the windows operating >>>>>>> system. >>>>>> >>>>>> Use funktion key F6 to toggle between the menu, menu bar and tool >>>>>> bars >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> as soon as you contact me, I can construct a detailed report that >>>>>>> contains each problem I see as well as provide detailed fixes to >>>>>>> these >>>>>>> problems. It is my hope that Open Office becomes completely >>>>>>> accessible, so people with disabilities can utilize this software >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> enjoy its benefits. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, Joost >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Get More Bang with Your Buck with Waldorf PC >>> >>> whether you need tech support, troubleshooting, or a new computer >>> custom built, we have it all. >>> >>> Call 301-535-3733 for more details. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > > > -- > Get More Bang with Your Buck with Waldorf PC > > whether you need tech support, troubleshooting, or a new computer > custom built, we have it all. > > Call 301-535-3733 for more details. > -- Get More Bang with Your Buck with Waldorf PC whether you need tech support, troubleshooting, or a new computer custom built, we have it all. 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