+1

There's also the problem of synchronicity.  Living in gmt-0800 (now gmt-0700 
until the end of October), it is very difficult to find an useful window.  And 
if I am not present, I am not aware and have no available record.  The Apach 
lists and procedures recognize the need for asynchronous activity and allowing 
for the different times and availabilities of participants.

I personally do not use IRC much, and even in conference calls I avoid "instant 
design" as much as possible.  That's my personal dynamic for managing multiple 
activities.  I gather that there are folks who find IRC very useful.  My 
closest to that is some regular, time-blocked Google+ Hangout meetings.  They 
have the advantage of audio (plus video), even though one can use chat in a 
sidebar.

I am not objecting to IRC.  But it is not a panacea.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Rhodes [mailto:motley.crue....@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 08:19
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: What I miss a bit at the project

IRC is great and all, and I'm all for having as many channels as
people feel a need for.  Just keep in mind that the ASF approach to
projects is to ensure that decision making is done
in public and very openly.   I think the implication of that is that
most discussion that leads directly to a decision, and definitely any
actual decision making, should happen on the mailing list(s).

That's the way I've always understood it anyway.  Somebody please
correct me if I'm wrong.


Phil

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Raphael Bircher <r.birc...@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> At the old OpenOffice project we have had different IRC Channels. Same were
> more active then others, but we have had a load more activity then now. The
> fact, that not a load Apache Projects use IRC does not mean that we are not
> allowed to use IRC. We are not allowed to make dessisions at the IRC,
> because Apache has clear rouls for dessicion making.
>
> IRC has many avantage over a ML. You can discouss problemes life. You have
> often much faster a answare. And at same problems. work togeter is more
> afective and make more.
>
> I realy would like a more active IRC Channel. I propose #dev.openoffice.org
> at freenode as our main channel. I encourage you to jump in too.
>
> Greetings Raphael
>
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