On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile <arie...@apache.org>wrote:
> Hi Kay, > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 03:58:06PM -0700, Kay Schenk wrote: > > Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion. > > One of my favorites quotes about Base is from Andreas Säger (villeroy on > the forums): > > "The difference between MS Access and Base amounts to several millions of > Dollars and more than one decade of development time. > > Once you got used to MS Access, it is rather unlikely that you will ever > be able to work with any other set of database utilities. > > I wish the AOO team had the balls to remove all the experimental trash > while keeping bare important database connectivity for the pros. Well I think we have "the balls" but we need to discuss this. I agree that keeping the connectivity, the front-end portion, is vital, it's the embedded DB that I am questioning. Since > 2006 the whole concept of Base with the embedded HSQLDB and wizards is > proven to be completely wrong, wrong, wrong." > > http://markmail.org/message/izhtpii5li57lnjn > > > I don't really know who the author is, but, I too, had been giving this a > > great deal of thought. Does a user know what any of this really means, > for > > example. And, including an embedded DB like HSQL puts added > responsibility > > for that embedded DB on this project. What if Base were strictly a > > front-end? > > > > So, does anyone have any further insights into how many users, if any, > > directly use Base to create and use their own individual DBs as opposed > to > > using the "front-end" capabilities? > > This is hard too guess. The majority of AOO users are Windows users, so > you can asume that the "average user" that tries Base with a MS Office > background, is looking for something like MS Access. I guess this was > what drove Sun to create the ODB file with embedded db inside. With such > an expectation, no wonder this average user gets frustrated with Base. > > > For the whole topic, though it might be interesting to discuss it, IMHO > it is completely pointless: look at the history in > > trunk/main/connectivity > trunk/main/dbaccess > trunk/main/reportdesign > trunk/main/reportbuilder > > if there is no one to maintain the code, it will end up being dead code, > so it's not a matter of "having the balls" (at least not *just* this); > it's a matter of knowing the code, or willing to learn it and work on it > (be it for removing Base embedded completely, or for fixing Base bugs, > or developing Base features). > > Many mails can be written discussing dropping embedded HSQLDB engine, > but at the end who will do this? > > Given that the not-so-difficult bug for building with Java 7 (it has > even the explanation from the HSQLDB developer on the bug, telling how > to fix it) didn't find someone to take care of him, removing HSQLDB > seems something unrealistic. Just let it die. > > > Regards > -- > Ariel Constenla-Haile > La Plata, Argentina > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
