On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Donald Whytock <dwhyt...@apache.org> wrote:
> Is there a larger version of the orb graphic? Something, say, big enough > to use as a CD label background? > > Don > The svg file for the "flat orb" can be found at: http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/svg/orb.svg and resized. If you're thinking about using the "shaded orb" that's in the web site logo, I don't find just that orb in svg format anyway. Maybe Michael Acevedo could provide us with one as he supplied the orb+lettering logo we're now using. I think the the svg for this complete logo is at: http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/svg/OOo_Website_v2_copy.svg (see additional info at: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.x+-+Logo+Explorations > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 3:02 AM, Jörg Schmidt <joe...@j-m-schmidt.de> > > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > >> From: Chris Maffey [mailto:ch...@maffey.com] > > > > > >> I have been distributing OO Cds since 2002, from my website > > >> http://openoffice.org.nz/. > > >> > > >> This is mostly an exercise in helping distribute OpenOffice, > > >> rather than a > > >> money maker. I sell the CDs for around $3.50 USD, and after > > >> all the CD > > >> printing, Package printing, CD Burning expenses there is no profit. > > >> > > >> I know this is not a huge contribution, however I have sold > > >> around 3,700 OO > > >> CDs in New Zealand over the last 10 years, which possibly > > >> helps in a little > > >> way. > > > > > > I think that's good, thank you for your work. > > > > > > But I think "profit" is something positive, because imho the statement > > of the FSF > > > is correct: > > > > > > "Since free software is not a matter of price, a low price does not > make > > the free > > > software, or even closer to free. So if you are redistributing copies > of > > free > > > software, you might as well charge a substantial fee and make some > money > > . > > > Redistributing free software is a good and legitimate activity;. if you > > do it, you > > > might as well make a profit from it " > > > > > > see: > > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html.en > > > > > > > > > For example, we have, in the past, the PrOOo-Box (professionally > pressed > > DVD plus > > > printed manual (150 pages) in a box) sold for 12 euros. > > > We used this money for the local work on OOo, for example, for fairs > how > > the > > > LinuxTag (http://www.linuxtag.org/2013/en.html). > > > > > > > > > > On the idea of reviving a CD/Distribution site, I'd like to review the > > reasons why we took it down originally: > > > > 1) The list was out of date. A quick check of the links showed that > > many were dead or did not actually go to pages that offered OpenOffice > > CD's. > > > > 2) As part of a non-profit foundation we need to be very careful how > > we relate to commercial entities. We can't be seen, for example, as > > giving special treatment to some commercial entities over others. And > > we need to be acting in accordance with the Foundations charitable > > mission. > > > > 3) We also need to watch out to ensure that our trademarks are not > misused. > > > > 4) We have no practical way to ensure that CD distributors are > > offering current versions of OpenOffice, are virus free, etc. We see > > many examples of websites that claim to offer OpenOffice downloads but > > instead trick the user into downloading another application that > > installs malware on their machine. Our constant advice to users is > > to only download from a trusted source. How do we apply this advice > > with physical media? > > > > 5) Search engines are good enough today that a user can find a > > distributor without us getting involved. For example a Google search > > of 'buy openoffice cd new zealand" turns up the appropriate website at > > the top. > > > > > > But since the time we took that page down we've had more experience > > thinking these kinds of issues through. For example, we now have a > > consultants page: > > > > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html > > > > That page has a disclaimer: > > > > "The information provided here was provided by the entities named, and > > is not verified or endorsed by the Apache OpenOffice project. We offer > > this listing as a service to the ecosystem." > > > > And we have impartial listing criteria. We don't give preferential > > treatment to one company over another: > > > > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html > > > > The listings are fact-based and descriptive, not advertising. > > > > We also visit each website and verify that any use of ASF-owned > > trademarks is appropriate and correctly acknowledged. > > > > So I think we could develop a set of guidelines for CD listings, on a > > similar model to what we did with consultants. To make it lightweight > > I'd propose a set of guidelines that the distributors "self-certify" > > to. In other words, they agree to follow these guidelines as a > > condition of being listed. Things like: > > > > 1) Only appropriate, acknowledged use of trademarks > > > > 2) No implied affiliation with the OpenOffice project > > > > 3) Notice that the software can be downloaded for free from > > www.openoffice.org > > > > 4) Software offered is unmodified AOO. Hashcodes must match. (Of > > course, everyone has the right to modify AOO, but if we're linking to > > distributors from our download website, the presumption is for > > unmodified versions. If we want a separate list for sales of modified > > versions of AOO that should go on the ports and distributions page) > > > > 5) Versions offered must be either the current version of AOO or > > another version of AOO that was current within 90 days from the sale. > > In other words, we want to discourage distribution of old versions > > with security flaws. > > > > 6) Distributor should be signed up to our announcements mailing list, > > so they are promptly notified of new releases. > > > > 7) Distributor must not imply that support is included in the purchase > > price, unless they actually provide support. We've seen some websites > > charge for OpenOffice, say it includes support, and then point the > > user to the free community support forums. > > > > Now on any of these points, you might say, "But that is none of your > > concern what version I sell, whether I modify, what links I give, > > etc." This is true, to an extent. But when we add links to a 3rd > > party on our website we do so only for the benefit of our users, so it > > is reasonable for us to ask for such conditions. It would be a > > one-sided bargain if we just listed everyone with no conditions. > > > > Just food for thought. > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Jörg > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "There's no upside in screwing with things you can't explain." -- Captain Roy Montgomery, "Castle"
