On Jul 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM, janI wrote:

> On 18 July 2013 16:50, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On 18 July 2013 15:29, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki.    When
>>>> looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking two
>>>> entirely different approaches to organizing the information:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
>>>> there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
>>>> release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and
>>>> plans for functional groups.
>>>> 
>>>> These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not
>>>> consistently.
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something
>> like:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
>>>> release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
>>>> lists of volunteers, "how to" information.  The stuff that does not
>>>> change from release to release.  It is information about the team and
>>>> what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
>>>> and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.
>>>> 
>>>> I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> If we anyhow think about restructuring, why not also think of a merge
>> with
>>> mwiki...it does not seem correct that we need all these flavours of wiki,
>>> and it do cost maintenance.
>>> 
>> 
>> Restructuring is just drag and drop in CWiki.  Migration would be more
>> effort, but we could restructure while migrating.  But a non-trivial
>> effort unless there is a tool that automates page conversion, moving
>> images, etc.

Exactly. 

>> 
> 
> So because its complicated we keep maintaining at 2 different
> products....We should have been a goverment agency.

Don't cast this kind of note about why we have two wikis. We got the CWiki on 
day one of the project at Apache. The Mwiki remained at Oracle for many months. 
(1) It took some time to get a volunteer named Terry E to do the migration 
which you have taken over. Thank you. (2) Ask on #asfinfra if you want to find 
out about the "difficulties" that occurred.

The CWiki serves its purpose very well.

> But I get your point, and wont press further for a simpler maintenance.

If the project wants to move to one wiki - sure go ahead. I'll help however I 
can when I have time. I would perfectly happy to longer have to Admin it which 
quite frankly has not been much of an effort. How much effort has it taken to 
manage MWiki?

The balance is that the ASF manages Confluence, but the project must manage our 
own MediaWiki.

Since the ASF is considering WordPress as a replacement for Roller. Maybe some 
of the CWiki content belongs there?

Anyone object to the deletion of the unused OOODEV cwiki?

Regards,
Dave

> 
> rgds
> jan I.
> 
> 
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
>>> rgds
>>> jan I.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Rob
>>>> 
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