I agree there should be a more concerted efforts to add desktop specific features (not only distros). Meaning a better integration with KDE and Gnome notification system and others. Having libraries that can route messages to the Kdialog (from the libnotify library) and Gnome's Notifications.
The specification is well documented on freedesktop AFAIK. On 4/20/14, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 04/20/2014 11:53 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: >> >> On 20 Apr 2014, at 14:02, Hagar Delest <hagar.del...@laposte.net> >> wrote: >> >>> IMHO, most users just take what's provided by default. Unless it is >>> too buggy. So I think that basically, we are back to the question: >>> why AOO is still not available in the standard packages? >> >> There are several ways of answering your question. I'll take the high >> road, and presume, for argument's sake, that the main Linux >> Distributors (the "distros") are acting in good faith and chose to >> align themselves with what they believed to be a sustainable >> community organization ca. 2011. >> >> These main distros that most in the West think of when they think of >> Linux, I'd guess, include Canonical's Ubuntu, Red Hat's Fedora >> Project, and KDE.* (I didn't check SuSE.) None includes Apache >> OpenOffice. > > Well KDE is a window system and not a distro. It is used on a variety of > distros including openSUSE, Fedora, Ubuntu (Kubuntu), etc. But, your > statement is true enough that no major Linux distribution includes > Apache OpenOffice. > > (KDE's office apps, >> http://www.kde.org/applications/office/, differ from the seemingly >> more advanced—I don't know—Calligra Suite, >> http://www.calligra-suite.org/, which just released 2.8.2 16 April; >> there was a fork a few years ago.) Fedora Project office >> applications, https://fedoraproject.org/en/features/#office, include >> LibreOffice, as do Ubuntu's. Getting Apache OpenOffice and replacing >> the default suite is, to my mind, more difficult than it ought to be. >> (When i first started using Linux, it was KDE and I was excited that >> I could select the packages I wanted installed and that it was >> actually really easy to do so. About the only equivalent I can think >> of now that recaptures that sort of ease and also excitement, is the >> process for installing packages on jailbroken iOS devices.) >> >> Once upon a time—before the LibreOffice fork, all save KDE included >> OpenOffice.org axiomatically. Sun's, and then Oracle's missteps and >> the LO fork put in place a strategic realignment. It's main >> effect—Linux users are the losers, if only because "choice" and "free >> markets" have been deprecated--has probably not been the primary >> advocates' wished-for outcome. > At least, I hope not. >> >> Getting the primary distros back to supporting choice and free >> markets for users would be nice. But I believe that, however loudly >> we hear the cry of community, what really determines things for >> Ubuntu and Fedora is what the sponsoring corporation wants and thinks >> is in its best interests, or at least those of its financial >> backers. > > ...well this is an interesting statement. > > Getting back to both this and Hagar's response. If we see that getting > AOO back into distro repositories is our job, then that's that. > > Many Linux distros maintain "community" repositories and perhaps its > easiest to use that sort of mechanism for reintegration. > >> >> FWIW, I maintained a program of reaching out to Linux distros around >> the world to include OO. These included (but were not limited to) the >> very big and popular ones in Russia, Turkey (Pardus), Africa, Japan >> and of course China. (I later also tried with South East Asian Linux >> efforts. What mattered hugely was having localized builds of OO; that >> made a telling difference in India, for instance, but also Brazil.) I >> have no idea what these regional distros are carrying now. >> >> However, a program that would *now* reach out to Linux distros—and >> also other open source centres and repositories—would be, I think, >> useful to would be users and also us. > > In this sense, it's good that our binaries are hosted on SourceForge -- > a very well known and accessible open source repository! > > "Would-be" is not an immaterial >> consideration. It's been repeatedly estimated that in the next ten >> years billions more will start using computers. They'll be using >> versions of Linux, probably—Android. But they'll also be using >> versions of other free software for regular productivity, and that >> free productivity software could very well be a good enough ODF >> editor able to run on a variety of devices. Could even be us. >> >> cheers Louis > > Thanks for the insights. > >> >> * An interesting academic study would be to evaluate the effect >> Google has had in popularizing open standard formats, like ODF, which >> for unconscionably long it referred to as "openoffice" format, as >> well as in popularizing Linux, albeit sans any prominent community >> engagement (Android). My guess is that the effect has been: who >> cares, represented by, "I just want it to work!" which of course is >> what we all want, especially those of us really very interested in >> open standard formats. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > MzK > > "Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing." > -- Helen Keller > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
