> On 30-01-2015, at 15:36, Dennis E. Hamilton <orc...@apache.org> wrote: > > Pedro and Jürgen, > > It is important to be concerned about false contrasts and comparisons.
+1 > > snip > > It is more important, to me, that there be clarity about what the AOO > licensing conditions are and how easy they are to satisfy at essentially no > cost. Comparative cost-benefit is much larger than that single factor. AOO > site and resources could be more helpful in determining how to migrate > successfully, though. That's something where we have an opportunity to act > as a contribution to the public interest. Agreed. > > The business about copy-left versus permissive licenses is evidently what > attracted the attention of the legal-discuss list here at the ASF. I had not > known what the actual discussion was at > <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201501.mbox/browser>. > The conclusion later in that thread led to the footnote on the current > version of the page at <http://www.openoffice.org/why/why_compliance.html>. > (Another list I need to re-subscribe to.) A still unanswered question from > the list is about whose voice this statement is made in. The footnote says > it is not the voice of the ASF. You seem to be disingenuous here, Dennis :-) Seems evident to me that speaking voice is AOO’s, not Apache’s. Which raises the question, how much rope does an Apache project have in attitudinal and tonal if not legal issues? Presumably, from the reaction so far witnessed, when the tone could affect business operations. > > It is a matter of firm policy that the ASF does not have anything to say > about other (open-source) licenses except with regard to how they are > honored, where accepted, in ASF Apache Projects. The only ASF compliance > concern is with the Apache License version 2.0 and the ASF conditions on how > the releases and distributions produced by Apache projects honor all > governing licenses. That is more appropriately presented in material > addressed to ASF Project developers and potential contributors. The only > advice to adapters of software from ASF Projects is that it is important to > observe the licenses that apply. And that interested parties should look > elsewhere for legal advice and assurances. Okay—this is more or less what I hinted at, anyway. Out of curiosity, do we know why Bradley has taken to finding us so objectionable? I know he finds the ICLA, any CLA, a foul bargain for the contributor, and that BSD-style licenses reek of sulfur and cloak the corruption of freedom’s community with false gold. Or something like that. I’m as opposed to neoliberalism and love a David Graeber-style anarchism as the next hyper-educated guy, but I even more like practical solutions, i.e., those that work in the world. I also like Bradley, insofar as I have spoken to him in narrow circumstances, but would be curious if he’s also railed against, say, Mozilla, or Ubuntu, or any other slightly fallen angel. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:p...@apache.org] > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 09:03 > To: OOo Apache > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Inappropriate "Compliance Costs" > > [ ... ] > > I actually don't care about the discussion: I think both permissive > and copyleft licenses have their advantages and disadvantages for > certain groups. IANAL and I am in the group that doesn't read > licenses anyways :). > > I honestly don't think having a "compliance costs" page will make > a difference but if it saves some (few) people from learning such > things through a legal process, I guess that can't do any harm. > > Regards, > > Pedro. > > [1] http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2011/06/01/open-office.html > [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ItFjEG3LaA > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
