Hi,
Am 06.06.20 um 22:07 schrieb MENGUAL Jean-Philippe:
Many thanks, yes I am blind
You are welcome.
For me it was a disappointing experience, but it did work. So first
thing to know the screen reader virtually reads the screen, without
having any Idea of context.
Actually Orca rely on the at-spi tree (or ATK). You can see what is
sent to it via a program such as accerciser, showing the accessibility
tree and how Orca has the information.
That said, in a new document window, Orca should at least say "blank"
to say that it is on the part of the window to write.
Ahh sorry. yes it says "blank", I mean actually it says "leer" because I
am german. I was not aware that it indicates an edit mode for you. I am
not blind, and learning to be blind is also a process. I will look into
at-spi tree. It will also help me understand how the gui stuff works,
maybe there are easy improvements that can be done.
If you have time, can you create a small guide / How to use OpenOffice
as a blind person? It would help me to learn how you work, plus we would
have a small start for other visual impaired users.
When you Open a new text document, then you get an empty page. May
screen reader identifies this as empty frame, since OpenOffice draws
a optical frame for the border of the printable space.
I simply started to type, and the screen reader read every letter. In
order to get the screen reader to read the the text I had to mark it.
Press Control button and Key A at the same time.
Ok, but should not. In Libreoffice (and order OOo releases), Orca
speaks each character, then you can review them via the arrow keys.
Ahh up and down reads the complete text. did not know that. Nice!
Applying an headline, has been more challenging task. Since
everything works by shortcuts a blind person using a screen reader
has to image the GUI in his head.
Normally, I press ctrl-f11 then scroll the style list via the down
key. At each pressing, Orca tell where the carte is.
Ahh thanks that is a much better shortcut :)
So pressing F11, for the styles window, will be then read to the
user. However you have no Idea where you are, or what this nid of a
menue is. So you must know that after it stopped reading the last
thing it is mentioning is a style. Navigate with the down button to
the header. Pressing enter will select the header, but you will not
get any information that you are again on the page and can now type
your header.
I should. I suggest you to compare with LO, to see wether the user
experience is the same for you, it should not. The point here is not
saying LO is more accessible than OOo, but establishing wether we are
in front of a misconfiguration at runtime, easily fixable, or really
code problems which have been landed to OOo for some releases (because
it had worked some years ago).
If some accessibility was broken, it would imply much work I guess, so
I will see how to support it according to the working of the project.
I have only Libre Office 5.1.6.2 installed at all and it did not work at
all. I hear "frame" and "no re". And then it stays silence. Even menues
are not read. I have no Idea why. But LO have put a lot of work into a
new more modern GUI, while OpenOffice still uses the old implementation.
On further research I have found out that there is an accessODF
Extension. It aims at closing the gap. I have not tried it yet, and
the last information it states is it works with Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0.
Ok I will try it
looking forward to your experience report.
I can help to improve the diagnostic and see what solutions exist.
Ready to collaborate, as a power-user/tester.
Many thanks and best regards,
You are welcome. However I have to point out, that we are hopelessly
understaffed. So do not put to much hope on results. The chances are not
0, but well I don't make promises.
all the best
Peter
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