Pavel Janík írta:
From: KAMI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:48:52 +0200
> The license issues under eliminating :o) The templates that seem
> problematic is undel LGPL or PDL... I will check files from
> OpenOffice.org EXTRAS CD (that downloadable from Openoffice.org) but
> they use ooextras, openoffice.org stuffs so the are free. Fonts are
> free, Clip arts are free, Cisco clip arts free but aganist for
> alteration.
Hello!
Hmmm. You seem to not distinguish between free and free.
If we want to license something really free we should do it under BSD
license :o) Of course the LGPL (or like) licenses serve best the
community. In the point of users I thing the main percent of users won't
change, alter the resources (cliparts and fonts)... Of course some of
them migh want to change something, but they can connect the original
author for permission. In the other hand alteration is something to do
on existing thing. You might copy it in new name the you can change it.
In the case of Cisco cliparts - I agreed with Cisco - they have a well
know and widely used sign set. If I were Cisco I doesn't want to someone
to change my sets - create a new - incompatible figure... Do you? You
can use it to create a new one on different name...
I personally do
not care about things that are free (as in free beer) and their license
prohibits me to change them. Such work is useless for me and also for OOo.
Why do you want to change cliparts? Fonts? Why don't you create a new
one? Or a derivate? Also you can always ask the author to help out
you... I understand that the world should be free but it isn't.. We
should admit the others they think different.
I do not like many things on your XXX Premium.
Wow... Can you explain it? I would like to suit to your directives.
I even consider it as unfair
to name something as SomethingElse Premium (which in fact is my primary
reason I won't look at it at all).
The name was my decision. Sorry. I wanted a name that says it contains
more than vanilla OpenOffice.org. I selected a way like other software:
nero premium, ms office professional, windows xp professional and
others. The base of this product is same as OpenOffice.org. I just added
some extras. The Hungarian team builded it on same machines as original
OpenOffice.org. Of course I am open to your ideas about the name of
product. And the user response is excellent. There are many user that
only installs the next version of OpenOffice.org after Premium released
(for the reason of internal testing it appear 5-10 days later than the
original)... Of course the installs OpenOffice.org Premium... We
relaised more than 20000 downloads on different sites for 2.0.2, and I
didn't counted the main donwload site numbers (it hasn't got stats for
downloads) at fsf.hu... The OpenOffice.org Premium has been released on
three IT mags' DVD encloses... So in my opinion it is that what the
users want. Of course the most important is OpenOffice.org, but the
users like the additional content. If you compare the main office
suites, the default installation CD contains lots of extras... Moreover
Microsoft offers more extras on its site.
For very similar example, have a look at
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63805
This issue is about including some kind of fonts into OOo. It is
impossible, because these fonts are non-free. But what we could include is
a generic framework for new font sets inclusion. And we can even include
some free (and license compatible!) fontsets into our (I'm working on
OpenOffice.org) product.
I don't want to include something if it is not good to us. But I am
waiting for the help to community to enhance the Openoffice.org user
experience :o) I would include the useful things... (If you look DejaVu
fonts and Fontwork gallery already included)... I want a same
progression with other parts of Premium package...
This is what I expect from your work on your OOo distribution. Are you
going this way or you simply bundle everything you have/downloaded from all
around the world into it?
I would like to include useful things. I only included that seem to me
useful. Of course the current situation is a little bit changed. I would
like to make it to available in more languages... enus, de on the way,
but I do not know what is useful for that languages. So mere help need
:o) Of course I can do CZ version if you want :o) But please understand
- I my term - the office application is far more than the just the
applications. We can vote the users...
Such project is useless in my opinion. Providing
framework to include all these extras file into the running product and/or
into the instset is worth the effort. Simple/manual bundling of everything
into it is not.
The framework is ready. You can review the diff files of OpenOffice.org.
All of Premium's modification is providing a perfect (or near) and
seamless integration into original OpenOffice.org's source...
So it is not just a simple/manual building, it is a way where we can
move -- if we want bundle more useful extras... If we want...
Thanks,
KAMI
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