On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:15 AM, Kai Krueger wrote: >> the extra step of clicking where the problem is should not happen, we should >> get that from the bbox or center point plus zoom. So with some changes I >> think we can integrate OSB and expose it front and center to help fix up the >> bugs. > > Are you suggesting that it is a bad idea to specify a location of a map bug? > Ok, so I will zoom into central london and tell you "there is a turn > restriction missing". How is anyone supposed to help fix this without the > detailed location information? Even google with their "report a problem" link > lets you place a marker to highlight where the problem actually is. And > perhaps the UI of the bug reporting should say at the top something like > "Hey, you can report a map problem here, no problem, but even better would be > if you click on the edit button and actually fix it your self. But if you > feel uncomfortable to do that, just report it here and perhaps eventually > someone else like you might come and fix it"
I like the latter, reporting the *exact* location as a extra feature. I think you'll get more bugs if you allow people to type descriptively the location rather than force a click on the location. It seems simple to all of us, but it isn't to the vast majority of people. > > ... > >> >> I'll add two more things >> >> 1) Using "google insight" (bing for it) and many other tools it's very very >> clear that the german community is by far and away huge. That's wonderful, >> but we don't have Germans all over Europe and the US - we need these tools >> out here Frederik to help us fix the map. >> >> 2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is >> _awful_.Horrendous. A total PITA. > > Actually, I am not that clear on why it is all that _awful_. I kind of like > the design (of the main page). Yes, it has its issues and there are a few > things I would like to see to improve the usability, that are better in your > design. (The more prominent search bar, now that we have the technical > capabilities to support larger use of search and the inclusion of some > Quality Assurance tools) But most of those could be added incrementally too. It's the number one complaint I hear when I fly all over the world talking to people about OSM. Bad design, hard to learn editor tools (just go and look at Google/Waze stuff for comparison) and then the dreaded "when will you guys get your act together and change license"... >> We're all here because we're persistent with it. But the wonderful thing is >> - we don't have to make the tools and site easy to use if we can expose a >> simple bug system. > > Yes, a simple bug system can help. In particular in those regions that are > already "complete", are in "maintanace mode" and have sufficient established > mappers that are actually looking for things to do. But in all other cases, > which unfortunately at the moment are probably still the majority, just > reporting problems won't actually get them fixed. > >> It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write something >> any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to finish the >> mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he doesn't give a shit and lives on a >> boat in bliss. > > I don't think this comment is fair, as Richard is doing a wonderful job, > especially as a "one man volunteer". But I will leave it at that. I'm sorry I disagree. I think it's great Richard volunteers of course, and puts all the effort in, but it has to be said that that effort would be 100x more useful in finishing potlatch 2 than more time on potlatch 1. > I think what we are (partly) missing out on here is people technically > capable on actually implementing any of those suggestions and also some > people who are technically skilled enough to realize what is feasible for > volunteers to achieve and what not and are willing to work closely with the > implementers to get the UI user friendly. People just throwing ideas over the > wall, can occasionally be useful, but I don't think that is our main problem. > Although the general attitude of Open source programmers of "Oh the code is > that way, so go and fix it your self" is not always helpful either. That's exactly it - and why I made that point on the OGD post. Some projects have a 'design dictator' because nobody can ever agree web design issues. That's a bit harsh but it's one way to do it. Yours &c. Steve _______________________________________________ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
