I would like to ask if it is valid to create only ColumnIndex but omit
OffsetIndex?
My answer is NO according to [1]. If agreed, my inclination is option 1.

[1]
https://github.com/apache/parquet-format/blob/079a2dff06e32b7d1ad8c9aa67f2e2128fb5ffa5/src/main/thrift/parquet.thrift#L1019-L1022



On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 6:31 PM wish maple <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm +1 on this, "Offset Index", "Page Index", "Column Index or Offset
> Index" all looks good to me.
>
> Best,
> Xuwei Fu
>
> Andrew Lamb <[email protected]> 于2024年5月21日周二 18:07写道:
>
> > mapleFU brought up an excellent question[1].
> >
> > Upon further research, a "page index" seems to consist of an OffsetIndex
> > and ColumnIndex, but some writers may only write OffsetIndex (and not
> > ColumnIndex). See discussion on [2]
> >
> > Thus when we say "repeated fields must start at a page boundary if a page
> > index is present OR data-page V2 is present," does that mean:
> > 1. an OffsetIndex is present
> > 2. both an OffsetIndex and ColumnIndex are present
> > 3. Something else
> >
> > It seems to me that since an OffsetIndex is in terms of numbers of
> records,
> > if it were present that would require repetition_level=0 at page
> > boundaries (aka option 1).
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > https://github.com/apache/parquet-format/pull/244#discussion_r1607878045
> > [2]: https://github.com/apache/parquet-format/pull/245
> >
> > On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 7:18 AM Andrew Lamb <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have created a PR[1] to the spec to try and encode this mailing list
> > > conversation and avoid future confusion.  Please have a look and let me
> > > know if it captures it correctly.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > > [1]: https://github.com/apache/parquet-format/pull/244
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 7:03 PM Julien Le Dem <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1 The semantics of a row group is that it contains rows and therefore
> > >> starts on R=0
> > >> I generally echo Ed's sentiment here.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 8:01 AM Andrew Lamb <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Thank you all -- I have filed
> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PARQUET-2473 to track
> > clarifying
> > >> the
> > >> > spec and will make a PR shortly
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 12:18 AM wish maple <[email protected]
> >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > IMO when Page V2 is present or PageIndex is enabled, the
> boundaries
> > >> > > should be check[1]
> > >> > >
> > >> > > [1]
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://github.com/apache/arrow/blob/d10ebf055a393c94a693097db1dca08ff86745bd/cpp/src/parquet/column_writer.cc#L1235-L1237
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Jan Finis <[email protected]> 于2024年5月11日周六 01:15写道:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Hey Parquet devs,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I so far thought that Parquet mandates that records start at
> page
> > >> > > > boundaries, i.e., at r-level 0, and we have relied on this fact
> in
> > >> some
> > >> > > > places of our engine. That means, there cannot be any data page
> > for
> > >> a
> > >> > > > REPEATED column that starts at an r-level > 0, as this would
> mean
> > >> that
> > >> > a
> > >> > > > record would be split between multiple pages.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I also found the two comments in parquet.thrift:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >   /** Number of rows in this data page. which means pages change
> > on
> > >> > > record
> > >> > > > > boundaries (r = 0) **/
> > >> > > > >   3: required i32 num_rows
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >   /**
> > >> > > > >    * Index within the RowGroup of the first row of the page;
> > this
> > >> > means
> > >> > > > > pages
> > >> > > > >    * change on record boundaries (r = 0).
> > >> > > > >    */
> > >> > > > >   3: required i64 first_row_index
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > These comments seem to imply that my understanding is correct.
> > >> However,
> > >> > > > they are worded very weakly, not like a mandate but more like a
> > "by
> > >> the
> > >> > > > way" comment.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I haven't found any other mention of r-levels and page
> boundaries
> > in
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > parquet-format repo (maybe I missed them?).
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I recently noticed that pyarrow.parquet splits repeated fields
> > over
> > >> > > > multiple pages, so it violates this. This triggers assertions in
> > our
> > >> > > > engine, so I want to understand what's the right course of
> action
> > >> here.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > So, can we please clarify:
> > >> > > > *Does Parquet mandate that pages need to start at r-level 0?*
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >    - I.e., is a parquet file with a page that starts at an
> r-level
> > >> > 0
> > >> > > ill
> > >> > > >    formed? I.e., is this a bug in pyarrow.parquet?
> > >> > > >    - Or can pages start at r-level 0? If so, then what is the
> > >> > > significance
> > >> > > >    of the comments in parquet.thrift?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Cheers,
> > >> > > > Jan
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>

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