> Can't we just leave it as is?

I would rather not for reasons stated earlier (in summary making sure git
tags follow standard/correct versioning protocol trumps other concerns).


I also stated I would do this over a week ago and no one objected.


On Wed, 28 June 2023, 18:49 PJ Fanning, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Changing the existing tag will cause issues too. Emails contain links to
> it. ScalaTimes linked to it in last week's issue.
>
> There is no proven issue with the name of the tag. There is a newer tag on
> the repo for the RC2.
>
>
> Can't we just leave it as is?
>
> On Wed 28 Jun 2023, 16:44 Matthew Benedict de Detrich,
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Just letting everyone know that I have made an INFRA ticket to rename the
> > git tag (this needs to be done manually/explicitly since git tags are
> > protected once uploaded), see
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-24739
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 11:02 AM PJ Fanning <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > The vote fail due to Justin McLean's -1 (binding).
> > >
> > > I will remove the artifacts associated with this RC.
> > >
> > > A large number of changes have been made been based on the comments in
> > > this vote.
> > >
> > > Everything since PR 416 has been added since 'rc1' was built
> > >
> > >  https://github.com/apache/incubator-pekko/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed
> > >
> > > I might put together an 'RC2' in a few days.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2023/06/22 11:59:45 PJ Fanning wrote:
> > > > I've raised a GitHub issue [1] for the Play inspired SSL scripts -
> and
> > > > have a PR linked to it.
> > > >
> > > > With the source file headers, the -1 votes are based on cases where
> we
> > > > believe the original Akka code neglected to retain license headers
> > > > from source code that they borrowed from. If anyone finds any
> > > > instances in the Pekko source where they think that we should include
> > > > 3rd license headers, please raise an issue in the GitHub issues for
> > > > the repo that the Pekko file exists in. Use the main repo [1] if you
> > > > are not sure which repo to log the issue in.
> > > >
> > > > We are under no obligation to start putting Apache headers on every
> > > > file, especially when we have made little or no modification to it
> > > > [3].
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-pekko/issues/448
> > > > [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-pekko
> > > > [3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-626
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 at 11:43, PJ Fanning <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My view on does every file need a license header:
> > > > > * the Pekko community have made no meaningful changes to these
> shell
> > > > > script files, so we don't need to add a Pekko/ASF header
> > > > > * the Lightbend developers chose not to add Lightbend headers so we
> > > > > shouldn't add Lightbend headers
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what to do about the Play inspired stuff. If anyone
> has
> > > > > any ideas, could they do a PR?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 at 10:29, Samuele Resca <
> [email protected]
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was checking the sources looking for licensing issues.
> > > > > > I spotted the following files without Apache headers: [1] [2] [3]
> > > [4] [5].
> > > > > > Also, worth pointing out that  [7], [8], are "inspired by"
> > > playframework
> > > > > > samples (see [6]). That said, the original source is CC0 [9]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do we need to take any action here?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Samuele
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pekko/blob/main/kubernetes/setup.sh
> > > > > > [2]
> > > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pekko/blob/main/scripts/find_fixed_tickets.sh
> > > > > > [3]
> > > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pekko/blob/main/scripts/git-remove-history.sh
> > > > > > [4]
> > > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pekko/blob/main/scripts/show-serializer.sh
> > > > > > [5]
> > > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pekko/blob/main/scripts/build/github-tagging.sh
> > > > > > [6]
> > > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pekko/blob/main/remote/src/test/resources/ssl/README.md?plain=1#L4
> > > > > > [7]
> > > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pekko/blob/main/remote/src/test/resources/ssl/genca.sh
> > > > > > [8]
> > > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pekko/blob/main/remote/src/test/resources/ssl/gencerts.sh
> > > > > > [9]
> > https://github.com/playframework/play-samples/blob/2.8.x/LICENSE
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Il giorno gio 22 giu 2023 alle ore 09:04 Matthew Benedict de
> > Detrich
> > > > > > <[email protected]> ha scritto:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, it was mentioned in the announcement
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > https://repository.apache.org/content/groups/staging/org/apache/pekko/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In sbt, you can add this resolver.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > resolvers += "Apache Pekko Staging" at
> > > > > > > "https://repository.apache.org/content/groups/staging";
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 22 June 2023, 10:02 Mehmet Salgar, <
> [email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Would be a stupid question but are we publishing the release
> > > candidates
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > any Maven Repository?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Juni 2023 um 09:27 Uhr
> > > > > > > > Von: "Matthew Benedict de Detrich" <
> [email protected]
> > > .INVALID>
> > > > > > > > An: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Pekko(incubating)
> 1.0.0-rc1
> > > > > > > > > 1. Do nothing and leave the files without headers (current
> > > state)
> > > > > > > > 2. Add an Apache header (obviously wrong)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just to clarify, as of currently every single source file has
> > an
> > > Apache
> > > > > > > > header. This is a result of the discussions at
> > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-626
> > > > > > > > and is also enforced by sbt-header which ensures the header
> is
> > > forcefully
> > > > > > > > placed on source files. If we shouldn't be placing the Apache
> > > header on
> > > > > > > > source files taken from 3rd parties then it should be
> possible
> > > to add a
> > > > > > > > blacklist to sbt-header so it doesn't apply on specific
> source
> > > files. If
> > > > > > > > this isn't possible then we can just disable sbt-header and
> > > figure out
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > issue after a release (we shouldn't be adding new source
> files
> > > now
> > > > > > > anyways
> > > > > > > > since we are in a release period).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 8:07 AM Claude Warren, Jr
> > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There seems to be 3 possible solutions for the missing
> > headers
> > > problem:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1. Do nothing and leave the files without headers (current
> > > state)
> > > > > > > > > 2. Add an Apache header (obviously wrong)
> > > > > > > > > 3. Add a note that indicates where the file is from
> (project,
> > > version,
> > > > > > > > > etc., possibly license info) and that the original file had
> > no
> > > header.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If we do #3 then I think the header should say something
> > like:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > /* This file extracted from <project> <version> <originala
> > > file name>
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > was in a package licensed under <license> */
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now, I know this technically violates the "don't change the
> > > header"
> > > > > > > rule,
> > > > > > > > > however, it is in line with the spirit of the "document
> where
> > > the file
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > from" rule.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > just my 2 cents, IANAL
> > > > > > > > > Claude
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 5:19 PM Matthew Benedict de Detrich
> > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think there is
> ever
> > > a case
> > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > changed an original header. If we did do something header
> > > wise, it
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > just adding the ASF header above the original. Some of
> > these
> > > cases do
> > > > > > > > > > genuinely seem that Akka/Lightbend forgot to put in
> headers
> > > when they
> > > > > > > > > > should have.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Maybe let me ask this more bluntly, what exactly are we
> > > supposed to
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > this case? There are source files within Akka that was
> > taken
> > > from 3rd
> > > > > > > > > > parties and those files either originally from the 3rd
> > party
> > > or from
> > > > > > > > Akka
> > > > > > > > > > don't have headers.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I don't see what we can do here aside from acknowledging
> > the
> > > code was
> > > > > > > > > taken
> > > > > > > > > > from a 3rd source (which we are doing). Adding any header
> > > that is not
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > ASF just seems wrong.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 5:31 PM Matthew Benedict de
> > Detrich <
> > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This is my suggestion - ask yourself:
> > > > > > > > > > > - Are the copyrights in the header correct?
> > > > > > > > > > > - Have the file changed significantly from their
> > original?
> > > > > > > > > > > - Is the 3rd party code just part of the files or the
> > > entire file?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So for [5] I can say the copyright headers seem to be
> > > correct, the
> > > > > > > > file
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > basically unchanged from the original (which is from
> > > Scala/EPFL)
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd party code is for the entire file.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > [9] is slightly more complicated, the file originally
> had
> > > no header
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > was copied from
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/lagom/online-auction-java/blob/1.4.x/bidding-impl/src/main/java/com/example/auction/bidding/impl/AuctionEntity.java[https://github.com/lagom/online-auction-java/blob/1.4.x/bidding-impl/src/main/java/com/example/auction/bidding/impl/AuctionEntity.java]
> > > > > > > > > > > (as noted in the comment) which is actually from the
> same
> > > company
> > > > > > > > > > > (Lightbend) behind Akka. My assumption here is that
> they
> > > didn't
> > > > > > > > bother
> > > > > > > > > > > putting in a header because it was the same company
> (Akka
> > > and Lagom
> > > > > > > > > both
> > > > > > > > > > > owned by Lightbend). You can make an argument that the
> > > change that
> > > > > > > > Akka
> > > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > to that file is significant in the sense that they
> > > converted the
> > > > > > > > sample
> > > > > > > > > > > code from one type of Actor System untyped to typed but
> > > IANAL. In
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > case
> > > > > > > > > > > the entire file is also 3rd party code.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I’d use the original header.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think there is
> ever
> > > a case
> > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > changed an original header. If we did do something
> header
> > > wise, it
> > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > just adding the ASF header above the original. Some of
> > > these cases
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > genuinely seem that Akka/Lightbend forgot to put in
> > > headers when
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > should have.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 5:21 PM Justin Mclean <
> > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > [5] to [9] are all files that originated from
> > > non-Lightbend
> > > > > > > > sources
> > > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > > >> > there are issues tracking all these files in the
> Pekko
> > > issues
> > > > > > > > > tracker.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Most of these files were added more than 10 years
> ago.
> > > I'm not
> > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > >> > how we are going to improve on the header situation.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> This is my suggestion - ask yourself:
> > > > > > > > > > >> - Are the copyrights in the header correct?
> > > > > > > > > > >> - Have the file changed significantly from their
> > original?
> > > > > > > > > > >> - Is the 3rd party code just part of the files or the
> > > entire file?
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> If the copywriter are incorrect OR file contents have
> > not
> > > changed
> > > > > > > > > > >> significantly (say more than 1/2 and porting to a new
> > > language or
> > > > > > > > > > >> reformatting isn’t a “change”) and the 3rd party code
> is
> > > the
> > > > > > > > majority
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > >> the file, I’d use the original header.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Or another approach might be, keep the header but a
> > > comment in it,
> > > > > > > > > > adding
> > > > > > > > > > >> the 3rd party copyright(s) and license to make it
> clear
> > > that the
> > > > > > > > > > standard
> > > > > > > > > > >> header may not apply to all the code in the file.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Kind Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > >> Justin
> > > > > > > > > > >>
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