I'm pretty sure the HBASE-15600 change wouldn't be accepted by the branch RM 
for 1.1, but that is my opinion of course, not his. I could be surprised. With 
0.98 the bar would be lower as each 0.98.x release is a minor release as 
defined by the HBase compatibility policy, but even so the suggestion makes me 
nervous offhand. 

> I don't understand why HBASE-15600 is needed if we're ok with the local index 
> updates not being transactional with older versions of HBase

If you're able to take that position that would be good, I think. It might help 
motivate people to move up to newer versions of HBase. 


> On Jun 8, 2016, at 9:31 PM, James Taylor <jamestay...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Another factor is documentation. It's hard enough to document new features
> and behavior as it is, but we'd have to explain that for the *same*
> release, it depends on which version of HBase you're using to know how to
> correctly configure local indexes - sometimes you need modify
> the hbase-site.xml on the master and sometimes you wouldn't.
> 
> It's one thing if we're EOLing these branches, but I don't think we're at
> that point yet.
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2016, Samarth Jain <samarth.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Considering the footprint of PHOENIX-1734, it would make development
>> onerous if the feature is merged only to 4.x-HBase-1.2. There is already an
>> overhead of having to merge patches in 4 branches. It also has the
>> potential of increasing the likelihood of bugs being introduced arising out
>> of having to handle many more merge conflicts.
>> 
>> Just my 2 cents :)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:42 AM, James Taylor <jamestay...@apache.org
>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't understand why HBASE-15600 is needed if we're ok with the local
>>> index updates not being transactional with older versions of HBase. Why
>>> can't we do the htable.batch() call in ParallelWriterIndexCommitter as we
>>> do now? The row keys are different. If this is an issue, then we could
>> just
>>> enqueue the mutations and let them be submitted outside the row lock. We
>>> don't need to have the row lock.
>>> 
>>> Seems to me that it could be made to work without the branches diverging
>> so
>>> radically.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> James
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, rajeshb...@apache.org <javascript:;> <
>> chrajeshbab...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Team,
>>>> 
>>>> As you know prior to PHOENIX-1734 we are storing all  local index data
>> in
>>>> separate table and colocate data and index regions. To ensure proper
>>>> colocation we need customer balancer, custom split and merge logic
>> still
>>>> these will not ensure 100% colocation. That's why we started working
>>>> PHOENIX-1734 to store local index data in separate column families in
>> the
>>>> same table to ensure 100% colocation.
>>>> 
>>>> As part of PHOENIX-1734 we need to write local index udpates to same
>>> region
>>>> in preBatchMutate. When I am working with master branch(The HBase
>> version
>>>> is 1.2.x) it went smooth and I continued the development and ensure new
>>>> implementation of local index works properly and committed the patch to
>>>> master branch as well.
>>>> 
>>>> But when I started porting it to other branches(HBase versions less
>> than
>>>> 1.2) I realized that write to same region is in preBatchMutate is not
>>>> allowed by HBase versions less than 1.2. There is a dependency of
>>>> HBASE-15600 to make the new local index implementation work properly
>> for
>>>> versions less than 1.2. So I am not able to port it to other branches.
>> I
>>>> will complete it once the next HBase point releases have HBASE-15600.
>>>> 
>>>> Now code in master branch is not in sync with other branches but the
>>> local
>>>> indexing feature is much more stable in master branch after
>> PHOENIX-1734
>>> so
>>>> I think it would be better to have PHOENIX-1734 in master branch even
>>>> porting it to other branches might delay till upcoming HBase releases
>>>> available.
>>>> 
>>>> Wdyt?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Rajeshbabu.
>> 

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