Hi all, > I am curious about pivot future: > * does it have any? I think yes ... but for example JavaFX since 2.x has many features derived from Pivot, and it has a fully rewritten graphics backend (and it's already bundled in JRE, etc) ... and for the JVM there are other great frameworks like Griffon, so I know for us it will be hard. But in my opinion our power (at Apache) is that this is a (real) community-driven project ... but even a small community like Pivot users/developers (see numbers under) can do great things if we join efforts to continue to develop it. And I'm always searching for Committers :-) . Our main problem has always been that none of us can work full time on it, but only in free time, so developments are slow. So our focus currently is to resolve existing issues to make it rock-solid, and later (for 2.1) drop some old part and write new features. And I see interest in Pivot from people using other JVM languages (like Groovy and Scala), even here we could have some plus.
> * how many projects use it? for what I know many, you can find only some in our Wiki page (linked from out Home Page) here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/PIVOT/User+Comments > * how many people are subscribed to the dev and user list? These are numbers on December 2012: Our Mailing lists have these numbers: commits - 22 subscribers dev - 71 subscribers users - 188 subscribers > can we run some kind of poll to see what people have to say? yes, even for us it would be great ... be free to post poll/questions in our mailing lists. Or for a poll, maybe create it for example in Doodle / pollcode / easypolls.net / micropoll / other and link here, as you prefer, but only choose one where users doesn't have to create a login, please. Otherwise a poll in a mail thread here, but in this way usually it's simple to lose things ... @murthy: >I am also interested as more n more things are driven by desktop oriented web >using html5 for RIA's. who will be the primary users of pivot apart from using >it in special cases driven by desktop oriented apps n where it is going when >the java plugin is going to a dead end which is lot looking like adobe flash >case this is another part of the problem: Java on the client (for sure that inside the browser) is going to dead, but I think the standalone could survive. Since its beginning and up to some year ago, Java seemed the solution to the "Write once, run anywhere" (WORA , or WORE) problem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_once,_run_anywhere at least for marketing guru :-) ... but without joking, I think this was (and it is) true, at least for some kind of applications. But now to me it seems that HTML 5 is the new WORE approach even because it has many of the RIA features (off-line browsing, ajax, websocket, localdb, etc) ... and for some point of view looks even better than Java based solutions (HTML 5 it's an open specification with many multi-vendor implementations, not owned only by one). Another solution could be to use the new graphics backend of JVM and start to build Pivot for new platforms on top of it (assuming that for example Android is a target for it), if license permits this usage, if there is interest and support from the community, etc etc ... and of course if it makes sense (respect to already existing solutions). My idea to do some research/prototyping for the HTML5 version outside here, trying to make it in a Pivot-like way (if possible) was to explore other ways to make modern RIAs. Of course remembering that there are many dozens of web frameworks, so our approach must be different and only focused on UI and RIA features (as it is :-) ). But on this I'd prefer to discuss in another place, to avoid making noise here ... Tell me what you think, of course for other Pivot Developers this should be important ... Bye, Sandro
