Hi Yufei,

Per your suggestion, I put together a short design doc.

https://docs.google
.com/document/d/1Zztz-owFDzZxAFgNHusd-X_7XLJx0fu8NpCOedrKm7w/edit?usp=sharing

Please share your thoughts.

Thanks,
Prithvi S

On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 12:12 AM Yufei Gu <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Prithvi,
>
> Thanks for continuing to work on this. These are all good questions.
>
> ABAC is a relatively large topic. Could we have a short design doc before
> jumping into the implementation? The design doc could cover the motivation,
> scope and questions like how an attribute is trusted across systems, so
> reviewers can understand the overall direction without having to dive into
> the implementation details.
>
> Yufei
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 1:53 PM Prithvi S <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > from my understanding of the consensus so far:
> > 1. PRINCIPAL_ENTITY_ATTRIBUTE_KEY should remain available for internal
> > consumers like the Resolver, but authorizers should not treat the raw
> > PrincipalEntity properties as an implicit authorization contract.
> > 2. principal attributes that flow into ABAC decisions need explicit
> > provenance because an IdP assertion, a system/admin managed value, and
> free
> > form user metadata have different trust and mutation semantics.
> > 3. not all properties should automatically be forwarded to external
> > authorizers; we should limit which attributes can influence authorization
> > decisions.
> >
> > I shall update PR #5032 to keep PolarisPrincipal unchanged as the bridge,
> > but change how OPA/Ranger authorizers consume principal attributes:
> > - introduce provenance aware namespaces for attributes exposed to
> > authorizers, for example:
> >   polaris.system.* - system derived or security administrator managed
> > attributes
> >   polaris.user.* - free form user defined metadata from PrincipalEntity
> > properties
> >   polaris.auth.* - attributes asserted by the authenticator/IdP
> > - Authorizers receive only the namespaced attributes, not the raw
> > PrincipalEntity. Internal/system attributes have precedence within their
> > own namespace on collision.
> > - Only attributes under an explicit allowlist (or perhaps the
> > polaris.system.* and polaris.auth.* namespaces by default) are forwarded
> to
> > external authorizers. polaris.user.* attributes are included only if
> > explicitly configured, so arbitrary user metadata does not leak to or
> > influence external PDPs by default.
> > - PRINCIPAL_PROPERTIES is documented as governing user-managed metadata.
> If
> > the project agrees that writing user properties can affect ABAC
> decisions,
> > I will update the privilege documentation to state that it confers the
> > ability to modify user-supplied authorization attributes
> (polaris.user.*).
> >
> > questions I would like consensus on before implementing:
> > 1. are the namespace prefixes above acceptable, or do we prefer a
> different
> > convention (e.g., system., user., idp. without a polaris. prefix)?
> > 2. authorizer forwarding be controlled by namespace (e.g., always forward
> > polaris.system.* and polaris.auth.*, optionally forward polaris.user.*),
> or
> > by a flat allowlist of keys?
> > 3. is it intentional that PRINCAL_WRITE_PROPERTIES can modify attributes
> > used in ABAC decisions? If so, I will document it explicitly; if not, we
> > need to separate user metadata from authorization relevant attributes.
> > 4. should authenticator/IdP assertions (polaris.auth.*) be mutable at all
> > through Polaris APIs, or should they be read-only for authorizers?
> >
> > once we agree on these points, I will update the implementation and add
> > tests covering namespace handling, collision behavior, and allowlist
> > configuration.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Prithvi
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 9:37 PM Robert Stupp <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Alex,
> > >
> > > I agree that the Resolver may legitimately need the PrincipalEntity.
> > >
> > > My concern is that PRINCIPAL_ENTITY_ATTRIBUTE_KEY is declared on the
> > > public-facing PolarisPrincipal type.
> > > That makes the persistence entity look like part of the principal SPI
> > that
> > > integrations may rely on, although the stated consumer is internal.
> > >
> > > The new AttributeMap is useful for type safety, but an
> > authorization-facing
> > > attribute set also needs provenance.
> > > An IdP assertion, an administrator-managed value, a system-derived
> value,
> > > and free-form user metadata have different trust and mutation
> semantics.
> > >
> > > Could we keep the PrincipalEntity bridge internal and expose only
> > > provenance-aware attributes through the public PolarisPrincipal
> contract?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 2:45 PM Alexandre Dutra <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > > I am concerned about exposing the complete PrincipalEntity through
> > > > PRINCIPAL_ENTITY_ATTRIBUTE_KEY. Even if its presence is optional,
> > > > authorizer implementations can start to rely on it.
> > > >
> > > > We cannot remove that key, as some consumers legitimately need to
> read
> > > > this attribute (the Resolver).
> > > >
> > > > Also, as Dmitri said, an authorizer should be considered a trusted
> > > > component. If we want to protect *any* authorizer from reading
> > > > attributes that it shouldn't, then I'm afraid we'd need a bigger
> > > > refactoring: in this case, the authorizer should not be given a
> > > > PolarisPrincipal instance in the first place, but rather, a sanitized
> > > > view of it.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 5:21 PM Robert Stupp <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree that provenance is the central question here, and I think
> it
> > is
> > > > > important to settle the security semantics before we make these
> > > > attributes
> > > > > available to authorizers.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am concerned about exposing the complete PrincipalEntity through
> > > > > PRINCIPAL_ENTITY_ATTRIBUTE_KEY.
> > > > > Even if its presence is optional, authorizer implementations can
> > start
> > > to
> > > > > rely on it.
> > > > > That would make the persistence entity an implicit authorization
> > > contract
> > > > > and would behave differently for persisted, federated, and
> otherwise
> > > > > detached principals.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it would be safer to treat PolarisPrincipal as the bridge.
> > > > > It may be backed by a PrincipalEntity, an IdP identity, or
> something
> > > > else,
> > > > > but that backing should remain an implementation detail.
> > > > > Consumers should see only the principal attributes that were
> > > > intentionally
> > > > > made available to them.
> > > > >
> > > > > For those attributes, a name alone is not sufficient.
> > > > > For example, an OAuth claim named `foo` must not become
> > > indistinguishable
> > > > > from a user-defined PrincipalEntity property also named `foo`.
> > > > > Resolving such a collision by precedence does not answer whether
> > either
> > > > > value is trusted for an authorization decision.
> > > > >
> > > > > At least the following origins have materially different security
> > > > semantics:
> > > > >
> > > > > * attributes asserted by an authenticator or IdP,
> > > > > * system-derived or security-administrator-managed attributes and
> > > > > * free-form user-supplied metadata.
> > > > >
> > > > > Namespaces may help distinguish these categories, but a prefix by
> > > itself
> > > > > does not prove who produced a value or who was authorized to change
> > it.
> > > > > Whatever contract we choose should preserve enough provenance for
> > that
> > > > > distinction not to be lost.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mutation authority is the other side of the same issue.
> > > > > If a property can influence an ABAC decision, the ability to change
> > > that
> > > > > property is effectively authorization-administration authority.
> > > > > If PRINCIPAL_WRITE_PROPERTIES grants that authority, it should be
> an
> > > > > intentional, documented, and auditable part of the privilege rather
> > > than
> > > > an
> > > > > incidental consequence of forwarding principal properties.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also do not think all available properties should automatically
> > > become
> > > > > authorization inputs or be sent to an external authorizer.
> > > > > An allowlist, or an equivalent explicit declaration of
> > > > > authorization-relevant attributes, is useful regardless of whether
> > the
> > > > > values originate in an IdP or a persisted principal.
> > > > > It limits both which values may affect authorization and which
> > > unrelated
> > > > > metadata is disclosed to an external PDP.
> > > > >
> > > > > This separates two independent decisions:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. how Polaris carries optional principal information internally
> and
> > > > > 2. which subject attributes are allowed to affect an authorization
> > > > decision.
> > > > >
> > > > > The generic attributes from #5085 can help with the first.
> > > > > For the second, I think we should agree on the trust categories,
> > > mutation
> > > > > authority, and allowlisting semantics before #5032 establishes the
> > > > behavior.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Robert
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 3:54 AM Yufei Gu <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Prithvi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for working on PR #5032. Could you clarify a few
> questions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Should user defined and system managed attributes use separate
> > > > > > namespaces to preserve their provenance? For example, system
> > > attributes
> > > > > > could use names such as system.attribute1, while user defined
> > > > attributes
> > > > > > could use names such as user.attribute1.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Is PRINCIPAL_WRITE_PROPERTIES intentionally meant to grant
> > > authority
> > > > > > that can affect ABAC decisions? For example, if a policy grants
> > > access
> > > > > > based on department=finance, someone with this privilege could
> > modify
> > > > that
> > > > > > property and thereby change the principal's effective access. If
> > this
> > > > is
> > > > > > intentional, should it be documented as ABAC attribute management
> > > > > > authority?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. Should all properties be passed to external authorizers, or
> only
> > > an
> > > > > > allowlist of authorization relevant attributes? Separate
> namespaces
> > > may
> > > > > > help address this concern. For example, we could define an
> > allowlist
> > > of
> > > > > > trusted system attributes under system.*, while allowing
> attributes
> > > > under
> > > > > > user.* to remain free form so downstream users can define their
> own
> > > > > > attributes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More generally, attribute trust is critical for ABAC systems [1].
> > It
> > > > seems
> > > > > > useful to distinguish trusted attributes from user-supplied
> > > attributes,
> > > > > > both for policy evaluation and for external authorizers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/ir/2018/NIST.IR.8112.pdf
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yufei
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yufei
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 9:28 AM Alexandre Dutra <
> [email protected]
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > And I forgot to add something: the scope of principal
> attributes
> > > > > > > extends beyond serving authorizers, allowing future components
> to
> > > > > > > potentially leverage this new entity attribute as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 6:25 PM Alexandre Dutra <
> > [email protected]
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Yufei,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you for the PR review! I've added some comments
> directly
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > PR, but I wanted to follow up here regarding your concern
> about
> > > > > > > > exposing the entire PrincipalEntity as an attribute.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In my view, this approach does not introduce a dependency
> > between
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > authorizers and the underlying persistence model. First, we
> are
> > > > only
> > > > > > > > exposing an individual entity, not the entire model and
> schema.
> > > > > > > > Second, this attribute is strictly internal to the
> authorizers.
> > > > They
> > > > > > > > are not required to forward the entire entity to the remote
> > PDP;
> > > > > > > > instead, the intention is for authorizers to inspect the
> > entity,
> > > > > > > > extract only the specific data they need, and bundle that
> into
> > > the
> > > > > > > > authorization request. This design is best described as a
> loose
> > > > > > > > coupling.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The alternative - pre-computing specific "claims" and
> limiting
> > > > > > > > exposure to just those - means we would be deciding what is
> > > > relevant
> > > > > > > > on behalf of the authorizers. Ultimately, that decision
> should
> > > > belong
> > > > > > > > to the authorizers themselves.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > WDYT?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2026 at 2:21 AM Yufei Gu <
> [email protected]
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Alex,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for putting this together. I like the direction of
> > > keeping
> > > > > > > > > PolarisPrincipal as the common identity abstraction.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One thing I'm concerning about is exposing the entire
> > > > PrincipalEntity
> > > > > > > as an
> > > > > > > > > attribute. Do we really want authorizers to depend on our
> > > > internal
> > > > > > > > > persistence model? The tighter coupling between the
> > > authorization
> > > > > > > logic and
> > > > > > > > > the metastore schema is concerning. It also makes it easier
> > for
> > > > > > > authorizers
> > > > > > > > > to rely on fields that weren't intended to be part of the
> > > > > > authorization
> > > > > > > > > contract.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It might be cleaner to project the information we want to
> > > expose
> > > > into
> > > > > > > > > attributes instead. We could do something similar to how
> most
> > > > IdPs
> > > > > > > expose
> > > > > > > > > claims rather than their internal user objects. For
> example,
> > > > Keycloak
> > > > > > > uses
> > > > > > > > > protocol mappers to select user attributes and map them
> into
> > > > token
> > > > > > > claims
> > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.keycloak.org/admin-api/protocol-mappers?utm_source=chatgpt.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yufei
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2026 at 11:53 AM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <
> > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Alex,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > +1 to this design. I think it allows future extensions to
> > be
> > > > > > > introduced
> > > > > > > > > > without disrupting existing code.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I also approved it in GH.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitri.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2026 at 9:35 AM Alexandre Dutra <
> > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi again,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In order to validate my own suggestion I went ahead and
> > > > created
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > following PR:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5085
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Compared to what I had in mind initially, the main
> > > > difference is
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > PolarisPrincipal must stay the "lingua franca" for
> > > everything
> > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > to authn and authz, since it's the only component
> > declared
> > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > polaris-core. So in the final design, PolarisPrincipal
> > > simply
> > > > > > > exposes
> > > > > > > > > > > a generic attribute map, which may contain the
> > > > PrincipalEntity as
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > attribute. The SecurityIdentity exposes the same
> > attributes
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > completeness.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Let me know your thoughts on this design.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2026 at 11:13 AM Alexandre Dutra <
> > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Prithvi, Dmitri,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I was OOO last week and I'm catching up with this
> > > > discussion,
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > > apologies for the delay.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > @ Prithvi : your description of the approach is spot
> on
> > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > corresponds to what I had in mind. To your questions:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is the attribute key naming convention above
> > > > acceptable?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Quarkus tends to use simple attribute keys like
> > > > > > > "tenant-id", but
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think Polaris should use namespaced attributes.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. For `DefaultAuthenticator` [...] should it also
> > add
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > `PrincipalEntity` to `SecurityIdentity` attributes at
> > that
> > > > point
> > > > > > > [...] ?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it should, and that's indeed the annoying part.
> The
> > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate method signature is:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   PolarisPrincipal authenticate(PolarisCredential
> > > > credentials)
> > > > > > > throws
> > > > > > > > > > > > NotAuthorizedException, ServiceFailureException;
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This signature is too rigid and does not easily allow
> > > > > > attaching a
> > > > > > > > > > > > PrincipalEntity. We'd need to change it to something
> > > like:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   SecurityIdentity authenticate(SecurityIdentity
> > > > credentials)
> > > > > > > throws
> > > > > > > > > > > > AuthenticationFailedException;
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This would allow the authenticator impl to:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > - read all the credentials presented by the client
> (and
> > > not
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > PolarisCredential)
> > > > > > > > > > > > - attach the PrincipalEntity to the SecurityIdentity,
> > if
> > > it
> > > > > > > exists
> > > > > > > > > > > > - allow easy authentication of federated principals,
> > as a
> > > > > > future
> > > > > > > > > > > possibility
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. For the OPA test suite [...] should I update
> those
> > > > tests
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > instead
> > > > > > > > > > > set the `PrincipalEntity` attribute on
> `SecurityIdentity`
> > > > [...] ?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that would be the right thing to do.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Should I add a helper method somewhere [...] to
> > > > > > encapsulate
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > attribute lookup [...] ?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I like that idea, +1.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > My problem with [5032] is that I'm not sure it's
> going
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > > > direction, given the above. There are two methods
> today
> > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > PolarisPrincipal that I think should be removed:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Map<String, String> getProperties();
> > > > > > > > > > > > Optional<String> getToken();
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > As they could easily be replaced by injecting
> > > > SecurityIdentity
> > > > > > > (also,
> > > > > > > > > > > > getToken is currently unused).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of this plan?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > [5032]: https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5032
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2026 at 12:44 AM Prithvi S <
> > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi JB, Dmitri,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Got it, sure. Thanks for trying to reopen #4405. I
> > > > updated it
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5032.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Prithvi
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 4:42 PM Jean-Baptiste
> Onofré
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup, I suggest to re-open with a fresh PR.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 5:10 AM Dmitri
> > Bourlatchkov <
> > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Prithvi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, but GH refuses to reopen PR 4405 because
> > its
> > > > > > branch
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > force-pushed or something like that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the interest of making progress, let's not
> > worry
> > > > about
> > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Please open
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fresh PRs for all changes that got stuck in
> > > > erroneously
> > > > > > > closed
> > > > > > > > > > PRs
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cross-reference them.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitri.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 7:25 PM Prithvi S <
> > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitri,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, okay, got it. I closed
> > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5032
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you try to reopen
> > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/4405
> > > > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also this access privilege is confusing. This
> > > must
> > > > be a
> > > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > setting?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we have access to reopen it if it closes
> > due
> > > to
> > > > > > stale
> > > > > > > > > > > activity?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prithvi S
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2026 at 4:30 AM Dmitri
> > > > Bourlatchkov <
> > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Prithvi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot reopen [4405] either as you
> > apparently
> > > > have
> > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > PR
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > using the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same branch, i.e. [5032] :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since [5032] is fresh, I suggest closing it
> > and
> > > > > > > restoring the
> > > > > > > > > > > branch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PolarisPrincipal commits. Then the PR
> should
> > be
> > > > > > > possible to
> > > > > > > > > > > re-open,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [4405]
> > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/4405
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [5032]
> > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5032
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitri.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 6:54 PM Prithvi S <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitri,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking this. That makes
> > sense, I
> > > > will
> > > > > > > change
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the auth layer forward to
> PolarisPrincipal
> > > > > > > properties.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you help reopen the PR? I don't seem
> to
> > > > have
> > > > > > > access to
> > > > > > > > > > > reopen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prithvi S
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 6:25 PM Dmitri
> > > > > > Bourlatchkov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Prithvi, Alex,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: SecurityIdentity, it is a Quarkus
> > class
> > > > and
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > certainly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fine
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it in infrastructure code that deals
> with
> > > > > > technical
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > authentication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g. in SecurityIdentityAugmentor).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I'd like to avoid depending on
> > > > > > > SecurityIdentity
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > proper
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Polaris
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > code like the OPA Authorizer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tend to think that the authentication
> > > layer
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > forward
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information is necessary to
> > > PolarisPrincipal
> > > > as
> > > > > > > optional
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > attributes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OPA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and other authorizers will then have
> the
> > > > > > > opportunity to
> > > > > > > > > > > consider
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attributes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will decouple Polaris authorizers
> > both
> > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > Quarkus-specific
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > code
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from PrincipalEntity. So the
> authorizers
> > > > should
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > usable
> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IdP
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (internal or external) and not be
> > affected
> > > by
> > > > > > > Quarkus
> > > > > > > > > > > upgrades.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitri.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2026 at 5:15 AM Prithvi
> S
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Alex,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, I understand now that the
> > > > decoupling
> > > > > > > in PR
> > > > > > > > > > > #2307 was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentional
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that `PolarisPrincipal` should
> not
> > > > assume a
> > > > > > > backing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `PrincipalEntity`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll **close PR #4405** and work on
> the
> > > > > > > > > > > `SecurityIdentity`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attribute
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach instead.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My understanding of the approach:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. In `AuthenticatingAugmentor`,
> when a
> > > > > > > > > > > `PrincipalEntity` is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > available,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > add
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it as an optional attribute to
> > > > > > > > > > `QuarkusSecurityIdentity`
> > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > under a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > key
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > `"org.apache.polaris.principal_entity"`)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Update `OpaPolarisAuthorizer` and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `RangerUtils.getUserAttributes`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check for this attribute in the
> > > > > > > `SecurityIdentity` and
> > > > > > > > > > > extract
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user-defined
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properties from the `PrincipalEntity`
> > > when
> > > > > > > present
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. `PolarisPrincipal` remains
> > unchanged,
> > > no
> > > > > > > property
> > > > > > > > > > > merging
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also can you help with below:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is the attribute key naming
> > convention
> > > > above
> > > > > > > > > > > acceptable, or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existing pattern I should follow for
> > > > > > > `SecurityIdentity`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > attribute
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keys
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Polaris?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. For `DefaultAuthenticator` when it
> > > > > > constructs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > `PolarisPrincipal`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `PrincipalEntity`, should it also add
> > the
> > > > > > > > > > > `PrincipalEntity` to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `SecurityIdentity` attributes at that
> > > > point, or
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `AuthenticatingAugmentor`?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. For the OPA test suite that
> > currently
> > > > builds
> > > > > > > > > > > principals with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user-defined properties should I
> update
> > > > those
> > > > > > > tests to
> > > > > > > > > > > instead
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `PrincipalEntity` attribute on
> > > > > > > `SecurityIdentity` and
> > > > > > > > > > > verify
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `OpaPolarisAuthorizer` picks up the
> > > > properties
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > there?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Should I add a helper method
> > somewhere
> > > > > > (e.g.,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > `PolarisPrincipal.getPrincipalEntityFromIdentity(SecurityIdentity)`)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > encapsulate the attribute lookup, or
> is
> > > it
> > > > > > > better to
> > > > > > > > > > > keep the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lookup
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inline
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in each consumer?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know if I'm on the right track
> > and
> > > > I'll
> > > > > > > proceed
> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prithvi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2026 at 8:52 PM
> > Alexandre
> > > > > > Dutra <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Prithvi,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for starting this thread!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My stance on this matter remains
> > > > unchanged:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - PolarisPrincipal and
> > PrincipalEntity
> > > > should
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > decoupled.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > avoid the assumption that a
> > > > PrincipalEntity
> > > > > > > exists
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principal, especially in cases
> > > involving
> > > > > > > federated or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > detached
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principals.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - In my view, the most effective
> > method
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > propagating the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PrincipalEntity is to treat it as
> an
> > > > > > *optional*
> > > > > > > > > > > attribute
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > within
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SecurityIdentity.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how should we ensure user-defined
> > > > > > properties
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > reliably
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forwarded
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > across all authenticator
> > > > implementations, not
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `DefaultAuthenticator`?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such a guarantee is likely
> > > unattainable.
> > > > > > > Because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticators
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > designed to be pluggable, custom
> > > > > > > implementations may
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unaware of PrincipalEntity.
> > > > Consequently, any
> > > > > > > logic
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > requires
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presence of a PrincipalEntity
> within
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > SecurityIdentity is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamentally flawed and should be
> > > > refactored
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > remove that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requirement.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your use case for
> retrieving
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > PrincipalEntity's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attributes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at runtime? Is it for auditing
> > purposes
> > > > or
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > building
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business logic on top of it? If the
> > > > former,
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fine to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > log "null" if the entity is not
> > present
> > > > (and
> > > > > > > you can
> > > > > > > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticator in use to make sure
> it
> > > > will be
> > > > > > > > > > present);
> > > > > > > > > > > if the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > latter,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that would mean that your logic is
> > now
> > > > > > > dependent on a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticator's ability to produce
> a
> > > > > > > PrincipalEntity,
> > > > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great. In that case it may be safer
> > to
> > > > fetch
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PrincipalEntity
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the metastore explicitly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2026 at 8:56 PM
> > Prithvi
> > > > S <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm opening this thread as
> > suggested
> > > by
> > > > > > > @dimas-b in
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #4405 (
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/4405
> > > > > > > ),
> > > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > touches
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authentication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and authorization behavior.
> > @flyrain
> > > > also
> > > > > > > flagged a
> > > > > > > > > > > prior
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-list
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from April 2026 on the same
> topic,
> > > so I
> > > > > > want
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is continued here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Background
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > `PolarisPrincipal.of(PrincipalEntity,
> > > > …)`
> > > > > > > currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forwards
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entity's *internal* properties
> > (e.g.
> > > > > > > `client_id`)
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > silently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drops
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *user-defined* properties set at
> > > > principal
> > > > > > > creation
> > > > > > > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `region=northamerica`,
> > > > > > `department=finance`).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a result, downstream consumers
> > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `PolarisPrincipal.getProperties()`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never see user attributes, and
> ABAC
> > > > > > policies
> > > > > > > > > > written
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > against
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > match. This affects:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - `DefaultAuthenticator` :
> > constructs
> > > > > > > > > > > `PolarisPrincipal`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authentication
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - `AuthenticatingAugmentor` :
> > copies
> > > > > > > principal
> > > > > > > > > > > properties
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `QuarkusSecurityIdentity`
> > attributes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - External authorizers :
> > > > > > > `OpaPolarisAuthorizer` and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `RangerUtils.getUserAttributes`
> > > consume
> > > > > > > these as
> > > > > > > > > > user
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attributes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > policy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evaluation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The existing OPA test suite
> already
> > > > builds
> > > > > > > > > > > principals with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user-defined
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properties (e.g.
> > > `department=finance`),
> > > > > > > > > > > demonstrating the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intended
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contract, which the production
> code
> > > > path
> > > > > > > cannot
> > > > > > > > > > > currently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > honor.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What PR #4405 does
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fix adds a
> > > > `mergeEntityProperties()`
> > > > > > > helper
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > combines
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `PrincipalEntity`'s user-defined
> > and
> > > > > > internal
> > > > > > > > > > > properties,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > merged map when constructing
> > > > > > > `PolarisPrincipal` via
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `of(PrincipalEntity, …)`
> overload.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design question raised:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @flyrain pointed out that in
> April
> > > > 2026,
> > > > > > > @adutra
> > > > > > > > > > > raised a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `PolarisPrincipal` was
> > > *intentionally*
> > > > > > > decoupled
> > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `PrincipalEntity`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (see PR #2307), and suggested an
> > > > > > alternative
> > > > > > > > > > > approach:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > expose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persisted
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `PrincipalEntity` as a
> > > > `SecurityIdentity`
> > > > > > > attribute
> > > > > > > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widening
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `getProperties()`.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR #4405 takes the opposite
> > direction
> > > > by
> > > > > > > merging
> > > > > > > > > > > properties
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `PolarisPrincipal`. I want to
> > > > understand
> > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > > > > > this is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether the community prefers the
> > > > > > > > > > `SecurityIdentity`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > attribute
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions I have,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Was the decoupling of
> > > > `PolarisPrincipal`
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `PrincipalEntity`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (PR
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #2307) intended to prevent
> exactly
> > > this
> > > > > > kind
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > property
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > merge?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the preferred mechanism for
> > > exposing
> > > > > > > > > > user-defined
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > principal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attributes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to downstream auth consumers?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Is the `SecurityIdentity`
> > > attribute
> > > > > > > approach
> > > > > > > > > > > (exposing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `PrincipalEntity`
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directly) the right path, or are
> > > there
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > concerns with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Since authenticators are
> > > pluggable,
> > > > how
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > ensure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user-defined
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properties are reliably forwarded
> > > > across
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > authenticator
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementations,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not just `DefaultAuthenticator`?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy to revise the approach
> based
> > on
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prithvi S
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