HI Yufei,

Yes, the proposed [5513] Management REST API change lists possible values
in Open API doc fields on the affected types [1].

ATM, it mentions "STS" as the only supported option. We can certainly add
"R2" to that list when it is implemented.

[1]
https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5513/changes#diff-52444bc79608edfae86ed0b46d171f7ef63c20090860d877e4e135168311a986R1211-R1213

[5513] https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5513

Cheers,
Dmitri.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2026 at 1:52 PM Yufei Gu <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks for the summary, Dmitri!
>
> +1 on the initial list ("STS" and "R2"). These will be written to the REST
> spec along with the new key introduced (credentialVendingMechanism).
>
> Yufei
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2026 at 10:14 AM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Recap from today's community sync call:
> >
> > * Actual set of values acceptable for "credentialVendingMechanism" is a
> > finite list. Initially "STS" and "R2" will be supported by Polaris (exact
> > names TBD during R2 implementation).
> >
> > * Servers validate values in "credentialVendingMechanism" in runtime
> after
> > parsing the request.
> >
> > * The Open API doc defines "credentialVendingMechanism" as a string to
> > allow for flexibility in auto-generated code. Clients / parsers do not
> have
> > to re-build when a server adds a new option for
> > "credentialVendingMechanism".
> >
> > Please correct me if I missed anything.
> >
> > Does this sound acceptable?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dmitri.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2026 at 1:30 PM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Yufei,
> > >
> > > Thanks for providing the details! Replying inline.
> > >
> > > > When a client creates a catalog with credentialVendingMechanism:
> "m1",
> > > > what is the expected behavior?
> > >
> > > This depends on the meaning of "m1" and the specific server build.
> > >
> > > In Apache Polaris "m1" is not meaningful and is not supported.
> > > The server will reject this value on the corresponding catalog
> > > update request. This is handled in PolarisAdminService in the current
> PR
> > > state.
> > >
> > > > 1.  The server supports it: This is the ideal scenario (happy path).
> > >
> > > Indeed.
> > >
> > > > 2.  The server does not support it: This creates inconsistency if a
> > > client
> > > > that works with Server A fails on Server B.
> > >
> > > In my view this is not an inconsistency as different servers do not
> have
> > > to provide the same capabilities.
> > >
> > > Creating a catalog with a specific credentialVendingMechanism is an
> > > administrative task. The admin user must be aware of what the server
> > > supports. This is a deployment / configuration concern. Not a runtime
> > > compatibility concern.
> > >
> > > > 3.  The server supports "m1" differently: This is the worst-case
> > > scenario,
> > > > where the client's expectations conflict with the server's actual
> > > behavior.
> > >
> > > This is a good point!
> > >
> > > My take is that if "m1" is defined in Apache Polaris, then all server
> > > builds must implement it the same way.
> > >
> > > The definition will be expressed by means of
> S3CredentialVendingMechanism
> > > classes included in standard Apache Polaris releases (and hopefully
> docs
> > > too).
> > >
> > > Currently only "STS" and "DEFAULT" (falling back on STS) are defined
> now.
> > >
> > > If "m1" is not defined in Apache Polaris, custom builds are free to
> > assign
> > > any meaning to it and do not have to be mutually compatible. This is
> the
> > > main point for extensibility.
> > >
> > > Note that custom builds are not "Apache Polaris" anymore and cannot
> > > claim to be the "same" as Apache Polaris. This is a matter of ASF
> > > trademarks.
> > > Normally, custom builds say something like "Powered by Apache Polaris".
> > >
> > > Again, the admin user setting "m1" as a vending mechanism in a
> particular
> > > server must be aware of what that server provides and understand
> > > the meaning of "m1" in that context. The onus to describe the meaning
> of
> > > "m1" to users in this case rests with the custom server developers.
> > >
> > > We can talk about preventing name overlaps, but I do not think
> > establishing
> > > any kind of name registry is worth the trouble. In this day and age, I
> > > believe
> > > all downstream project developers are aware of name overlap issues.
> > > and will follow normal practices to avoid name collisions.
> > >
> > > I hope this clears your concerns.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Dmitri.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2026 at 1:02 PM Yufei Gu <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Dmitri,
> > >>
> > >> When a client creates a catalog with credentialVendingMechanism: "m1",
> > >> what
> > >> is the expected behavior?
> > >>
> > >> Here is a suitaion if we allow a freeform string, the client might
> > >> encounter three different scenarios depending on the server:
> > >> 1.  The server supports it: This is the ideal scenario (happy path).
> > >> 2.  The server does not support it: This creates inconsistency if a
> > client
> > >> that works with Server A fails on Server B.
> > >> 3.  The server supports "m1" differently: This is the worst-case
> > scenario,
> > >> where the client's expectations conflict with the server's actual
> > >> behavior.
> > >>
> > >> I don't think this is the situation we want users to run into. The fix
> > is
> > >> quite simple, using a specified values instead of a freefrom string.
> > >>
> > >> Yufei
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2026 at 9:48 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi all,
> > >> >
> > >> > Since concerns were raised, it's important to take a moment to align
> > >> > rather than rushing. That's the way we drive consensus :)
> > >> >
> > >> > On the technical question of string vs enum for
> > >> > credentialVendingMechanism, here is my take:
> > >> >
> > >> > 1. This field is part of the Management API for catalog
> > >> > administrators. Iceberg REST clients (Spark, Trino, ...) never see
> or
> > >> > interact with credentialVendingMechanism. They only consume standard
> > >> > vended credentials (s3.* session tokens/keys) during table
> > >> > load/commit. There is no risk of breaking query engine clients
> across
> > >> > deployments.
> > >> > 2. One of our primary goals when discussing S3-compatible stores
> (R2,
> > >> > MinIO, ...) was to keep credential vending pluggable via SPI rather
> > >> > than hardcoding vendor-specific paths in core. If we use a closed
> enum
> > >> > in the OpenAPI spec, it means:
> > >> >   * any new mechanism (including R2 in Phase 2 or MinIO) requires a
> > spec
> > >> > change.
> > >> >   * any downstream deployment or plugin providing a custom mechanism
> > >> > would break OpenAPI-generated client SDKs due to strict enum
> > >> > validation.
> > >> >   * runtime validation on the server (returning HTTP 400 with a
> clear
> > >> > message) combined with the realm allowlist provides the right
> > >> > server-side guardrail without restricting extensibility.
> > >> > 3. Yufei's concerns about a clear contract and avoiding confusion is
> > >> > valid. We can address contract clarity without closing the enum:
> > >> >   * we keep type: string, but document the well-known/standard
> values
> > >> > (STS, DEFAULT) explicitly in the description and examples in the
> > >> > OpenAPI spec (as PR #5513 does).
> > >> >   * we ensure the server validates cleanly with case-insensitivity
> (or
> > >> > canonical normalization) so administrators get immediate, actionable
> > >> > feedback on typos.
> > >> >
> > >> > PR #5513 does a solid job laying this foundation so Austen can move
> > >> > forward with Phase 2. If we keep it as a string with well-documented
> > >> > standard values and server-siide validation, I think it's the right
> > >> > balance between spec clarify and pluggability.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thoughts?
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards
> > >> > JB
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2026 at 12:50 AM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <
> > [email protected]>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hi Yufei,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > Conversely, an enum will require defining all possible vending
> > >> > > mechanisms in
> > >> > > > > the Polaris API spec.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Yes. Otherwise, a client may failed in certain deployments.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Could you describe this failure mode in terms of API
> > request/response
> > >> > flow?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks,
> > >> > > Dmitri.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2026 at 2:06 PM Yufei Gu <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > Conversely, an enum will require defining all possible vending
> > >> > > > mechanisms in
> > >> > > > the Polaris API spec.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Yes. Otherwise, a client may failed in certain deployments.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > This will prevent downstream projects from using custom
> vending
> > >> > > > mechanisms.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > No. if downstream needs custom vending mechanisms, they can
> always
> > >> > build
> > >> > > > their own Polaris.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Yufei
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2026 at 11:01 AM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <
> > >> [email protected]
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Hi Yufei,
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Using an enum will clarify the REST spec contract.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > I'm not sure I understand your point. Current PR clearly
> > describes
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > meaning of "credentialVendingMechanism" and lists options
> > >> available
> > >> > > > > out-of-the-box.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > What does an enum achieve, that (current) runtime validation
> > does
> > >> > not?
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Conversely, an enum will require defining all possible vending
> > >> > mechanisms
> > >> > > > > in the Polaris API spec. This will prevent downstream projects
> > >> from
> > >> > using
> > >> > > > > custom vending mechanisms.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > I believe Polaris as a project currently promotes downstream
> > >> > > > > customizability.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Cheers,
> > >> > > > > Dmitri.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2026 at 1:21 PM Yufei Gu <
> [email protected]>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I don't think we have consensus on the PR, esp. a client
> > should
> > >> NOT
> > >> > > > > depend
> > >> > > > > > on a specific deployment. Using an enum will clarify the
> REST
> > >> spec
> > >> > > > > > contract.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Yufei
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2026 at 7:46 AM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <
> > >> > [email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Hi All,
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > PR [5513] has been in review for quite some time. I
> believe
> > we
> > >> > have
> > >> > > > > > general
> > >> > > > > > > consensus on the Management API changes and java code
> > changes.
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > The only point that may still have divergent opinions is
> > >> whether
> > >> > to
> > >> > > > use
> > >> > > > > > > free text or enum for "credentialVendingMechanism". I
> > >> personally
> > >> > > > > support
> > >> > > > > > > free text (rationale explained in previous comments). This
> > >> > > > conversation
> > >> > > > > > has
> > >> > > > > > > been dormant for a few days, so I assume lazy consensus on
> > the
> > >> > > > current
> > >> > > > > > > state of the PR (free text). In any case switching from
> free
> > >> > text to
> > >> > > > > enum
> > >> > > > > > > is a non-breaking API change before the next release in
> case
> > >> the
> > >> > > > > > consensus
> > >> > > > > > > shifts and we need to adjust. We have about one month for
> > >> > followup
> > >> > > > API
> > >> > > > > > > changes.
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > The java code introduced in this PR is not rigid and can
> > >> change
> > >> > at
> > >> > > > any
> > >> > > > > > time
> > >> > > > > > > per our evolution guidelines [1].
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > I propose merging PR [5513] on Sept 30 unless fresh
> blocking
> > >> > concerns
> > >> > > > > are
> > >> > > > > > > raised.
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > [1] https://polaris.apache.org/releases/1.8.0/evolution/
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > [5513] https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5513
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > >> > > > > > > Dmitri.
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2026 at 9:30 AM Austen Tomek <
> > >> > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Hey all,
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Any chance I can get further reviews this week on the
> PR?
> > >> I’d
> > >> > like
> > >> > > > to
> > >> > > > > > get
> > >> > > > > > > > moving onto Phase 2 here if there are no further issues
> to
> > >> > address.
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Get Outlook for Mac<https://aka.ms/GetOutlookForMac>
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > From: Dmitri Bourlatchkov <[email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, September 24, 2026 at 17:33
> > >> > > > > > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Cloudflare R2 support with scoped
> > >> > credential
> > >> > > > > > > vending
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Hi Yufei,
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > The REST spec is a contract between Polaris servers
> and
> > >> > clients
> > >> > > > > [...]
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > I tend to think that this statement is a bit too strong.
> > The
> > >> > > > > Management
> > >> > > > > > > API
> > >> > > > > > > > spec defines a protocol for clients and servers to
> > >> communicate.
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > [...] This would help avoid a situation where a
> Polaris
> > >> > client
> > >> > > > > works
> > >> > > > > > > > > only with certain deployments.
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Since Polaris has been developed as a customizable
> system,
> > >> a
> > >> > REST
> > >> > > > > API
> > >> > > > > > > > specification defined by Apache Polaris cannot control
> the
> > >> > > > behaviour
> > >> > > > > of
> > >> > > > > > > all
> > >> > > > > > > > possible downstream environments. The purpose of the
> spec
> > >> is to
> > >> > > > > ensure
> > >> > > > > > > > protocol compatibility.
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Note that the value of `credentialVendingMechanism` has
> no
> > >> > bearing
> > >> > > > on
> > >> > > > > > > > any logic clients need to execute. It is an opaque
> > parameter
> > >> > > > > controlled
> > >> > > > > > > > by the Polaris administrator.
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > The new credentialVendingMechanism field in the REST
> > spec
> > >> > looks
> > >> > > > > > > > > reasonable. My only suggestion is to use an enum
> instead
> > >> of a
> > >> > > > > string.
> > >> > > > > > > > [...]
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > The above points are exactly the reason why the
> Management
> > >> API
> > >> > > > cannot
> > >> > > > > > > > enumerate all possible vending mechanisms.
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > The same applies to storage types too. However, we do
> not
> > >> have
> > >> > any
> > >> > > > > > > > practical
> > >> > > > > > > > examples of 3rd party storage systems that go beyond
> > >> > S3/GCS/ADLS
> > >> > > > > (yet).
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > >> > > > > > > > Dmitri.
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2026 at 4:38 PM Yufei Gu <
> > >> [email protected]
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks Austen. It's fair that endpoints are not
> reliable
> > >> > given
> > >> > > > that
> > >> > > > > > > some
> > >> > > > > > > > > s3-compatible can use arbitrary hostnames.
> > >> > > > > > > > > I also think stsUnavailable is fine to keep as-is. I
> > don’t
> > >> > think
> > >> > > > we
> > >> > > > > > > need
> > >> > > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > change its scope or repurpose it.
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > The new credentialVendingMechanism field in the REST
> > spec
> > >> > looks
> > >> > > > > > > > reasonable.
> > >> > > > > > > > > My only suggestion is to use an enum instead of a
> > string.
> > >> The
> > >> > > > REST
> > >> > > > > > spec
> > >> > > > > > > > is
> > >> > > > > > > > > a contract between Polaris servers and clients, so I’d
> > >> > expect it
> > >> > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > define
> > >> > > > > > > > > the valid values and their meanings rather than
> leaving
> > >> them
> > >> > up
> > >> > > > to
> > >> > > > > > each
> > >> > > > > > > > > deployment. This would help avoid a situation where a
> > >> Polaris
> > >> > > > > client
> > >> > > > > > > > works
> > >> > > > > > > > > only with certain deployments. Deployment-specific
> > >> mechanisms
> > >> > > > > > shouldn’t
> > >> > > > > > > > be
> > >> > > > > > > > > part of the standard REST contract; users who need a
> > >> custom
> > >> > > > > mechanism
> > >> > > > > > > can
> > >> > > > > > > > > always extend the server in their own deployment.
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Either way the operator needs a per-realm switch
> like
> > >> > > > > > > > > SUPPORTED_S3_CREDENTIAL_VENDING_MECHANISMS to control
> > >> which
> > >> > realm
> > >> > > > > can
> > >> > > > > > > > mint
> > >> > > > > > > > > R2 credentials from the operators Cloudflare account.
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > Could you clarify why we need a separate per-realm
> > switch?
> > >> > Once
> > >> > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > storage
> > >> > > > > > > > > configuration is set at the catalog level to select a
> > >> > specific
> > >> > > > > > > mechanism,
> > >> > > > > > > > > the catalog will have no choice but to support it. Do
> we
> > >> need
> > >> > > > > another
> > >> > > > > > > > layer
> > >> > > > > > > > > of gating?
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > Yufei
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2026 at 5:53 AM Austen Tomek <
> > >> > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Hey Yufei,
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Apologies for missing your question.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > I don’t think Endpoint is sufficient.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Endpoint matching only works where the hostname
> > >> identifies
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > > vendor
> > >> > > > > > > > > like
> > >> > > > > > > > > > R2’s public hostnames that are recognizable, MinIO
> and
> > >> > other
> > >> > > > > > > > self-hosted
> > >> > > > > > > > > > S3-compatible stores use arbitrary hostnames so
> there
> > >> > would be
> > >> > > > > > > nothing
> > >> > > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > match on. On top of that, if a match fails it would
> > just
> > >> > > > silently
> > >> > > > > > > fall
> > >> > > > > > > > > back
> > >> > > > > > > > > > to STS.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Right now the endpoint just says how you’ll connect
> > not
> > >> > how the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > credentials are vended. There's endpoint and also
> > >> > > > > endpointInternal
> > >> > > > > > > for
> > >> > > > > > > > > > server-side access, so it would be unclear which of
> > the
> > >> two
> > >> > > > > > decides.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > For your other question, there is no second
> mechanism
> > >> for
> > >> > R2
> > >> > > > > today,
> > >> > > > > > > but
> > >> > > > > > > > > > for other self-hosted stores the same endpoint could
> > be
> > >> > served
> > >> > > > by
> > >> > > > > > STS
> > >> > > > > > > > or
> > >> > > > > > > > > by
> > >> > > > > > > > > > a different token mechanism chosen per catalog.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > stsUnavailable keeps it’s current behavior in the PR
> > >> (that
> > >> > was
> > >> > > > > > > > Prithvi’s
> > >> > > > > > > > > > point earlier in the thread)
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Either way the operator needs a per-realm switch
> like
> > >> > > > > > > > > > SUPPORTED_S3_CREDENTIAL_VENDING_MECHANISMS to
> control
> > >> which
> > >> > > > realm
> > >> > > > > > can
> > >> > > > > > > > > mint
> > >> > > > > > > > > > R2 credentials from the operators Cloudflare
> account.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Austen
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Get Outlook for Mac<https://aka.ms/GetOutlookForMac
> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > From: Yufei Gu <[email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, September 21, 2026 at 17:53
> > >> > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Cloudflare R2 support with
> > scoped
> > >> > > > > credential
> > >> > > > > > > > > vending
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Hi Austen,
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the update. After looking at PR #5513, I
> > >> think
> > >> > we
> > >> > > > > should
> > >> > > > > > > > first
> > >> > > > > > > > > > clarify whether we need a new
> > credentialVendingMechanism
> > >> > field
> > >> > > > in
> > >> > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > spec/config.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Austen, you mentioned that the R2 account ID and
> > >> > jurisdiction
> > >> > > > > > already
> > >> > > > > > > > > come
> > >> > > > > > > > > > from the endpoint. Could we also use the existing
> > field
> > >> > like
> > >> > > > > > > > `endpoint`,
> > >> > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > recognize R2 and select its credential-vending
> > >> mechanism,
> > >> > while
> > >> > > > > > > keeping
> > >> > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > current stsUnavailable behavior unchanged?
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Are there cases where the endpoint isn’t enough, or
> > >> where
> > >> > users
> > >> > > > > > need
> > >> > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > choose different vending mechanisms for the same
> > >> > endpoint(e.g.,
> > >> > > > > R2)
> > >> > > > > > > per
> > >> > > > > > > > > > catalog?
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 7:24 AM Austen Tomek <
> > >> > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Yufei, Dimitri,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, both. PR 1 is ready for review:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5513
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I pushed a revision last night that takes in
> > Dimitri’s
> > >> > > > > comments.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >   *
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I changed from issuer to
> credentialVendingMechanism.
> > >> It’s
> > >> > > > also
> > >> > > > > > now
> > >> > > > > > > a
> > >> > > > > > > > > > plain
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > string and the realm allowlist is
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > SUPPORTED_S3_CREDENTIAL_VENDING_MECHANISMS, which
> > >> still
> > >> > > > > defaults
> > >> > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > [STS]
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >   *
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Mechanisms are CDI beans found by their
> identifier,
> > as
> > >> > > > Dimitri
> > >> > > > > > > > > proposed.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >   *
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > The CLOUDFLARE_R2 bean and the R2 vending code
> will
> > >> > follow in
> > >> > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > next
> > >> > > > > > > > > PR
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > CI workflow is waiting approval to run.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Austen
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Get Outlook for Mac<
> https://aka.ms/GetOutlookForMac
> > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > From: Dmitri Bourlatchkov <[email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2026 at 20:00
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] <
> [email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Cloudflare R2 support with
> > >> scoped
> > >> > > > > > credential
> > >> > > > > > > > > > vending
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi All,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Having getCloudflareR2Endpoint on
> > >> > > > AwsStorageConfigurationInfo
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, this does feel awkward.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > From my POV pursuing the option with the
> > >> > "credentialIssuers"
> > >> > > > > > > property
> > >> > > > > > > > > > looks
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > promising. This property is fairly generic and
> fits
> > >> > naturally
> > >> > > > > > into
> > >> > > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > config, given that we already target multiple
> > >> backends.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitri.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 8:48 PM Yufei Gu <
> > >> > > > [email protected]
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Austen, Dmitri,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Having getCloudflareR2Endpoint on
> > >> > > > > AwsStorageConfigurationInfo
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > That does feel awkward. However,
> > >> > > > AwsStorageConfigurationInfo
> > >> > > > > > has
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > supported
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > S3-compatible backends beyond AWS for a while,
> so
> > >> > there is
> > >> > > > > > > > precedent
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > (e.g.,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > MinIO, etc.). The underlying mismatch is that we
> > >> call
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > > storage
> > >> > > > > > > > > type
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > S3,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > but its configuration mixes shared S3 settings
> > with
> > >> > > > > > AWS-specific
> > >> > > > > > > > > ones:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > AwsStorageConfigurationInfo → storage type: S3
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >   ├── Common S3 settings
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >   │     endpoint, region, pathStyleAccess,
> > >> > allowedLocations
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >   └── AWS-specific settings
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >         roleArn, externalId, STS, KMS
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I’m open to separating the shared S3 settings
> from
> > >> > > > > > > > provider-specific
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > configuration if that helps, but I don’t think
> we
> > >> need
> > >> > to
> > >> > > > > > settle
> > >> > > > > > > > on a
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > broader refactor now.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know when the PR is ready for review. I’d
> > be
> > >> > happy
> > >> > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > take a
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > closer
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > look.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Yufei
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Yufei
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2026 at 3:18 PM Dmitri
> > Bourlatchkov
> > >> <
> > >> > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Austen,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 to adding "credentialIssues" or similar
> > >> (renamed)
> > >> > > > > property
> > >> > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > S3
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > config.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, I was looking exactly for something
> > like
> > >> > that
> > >> > > > last
> > >> > > > > > > week
> > >> > > > > > > > > but
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > idea did not quite condense in my mind :)
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted some preliminary comments on the
> draft
> > >> PR.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just for community awareness, I'd like to
> > propose
> > >> > here
> > >> > > > that
> > >> > > > > > we
> > >> > > > > > > > use
> > >> > > > > > > > > > CDI
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > finding actual "issuer" / "mechanism"
> > >> > implementations.
> > >> > > > The
> > >> > > > > > > > codebase
> > >> > > > > > > > > > has
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > many examples of this. The closest match in
> this
> > >> > case is
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > probably PolarisStorageIntegrationProvider.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > This way the API does not have to enumerate
> all
> > >> > possible
> > >> > > > > > > values.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Downstream
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > builds are free to add different
> implementations
> > >> > without
> > >> > > > > > having
> > >> > > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > change
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > the API spec. The "allowed" list still makes
> > >> sense.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > In general, I like the direction this feature
> is
> > >> > taking,
> > >> > > > > > > > although I
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > expect
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PR reviews may take a few rounds :)
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitri.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2026 at 3:38 PM Austen Tomek <
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Closing the loop since my last note and
> > >> answering
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > > > questions
> > >> > > > > > > > > > that
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > come up.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitri's question on role ARNs: R2 doesn’t
> > have
> > >> > > > AWS-style
> > >> > > > > > IAM
> > >> > > > > > > > > roles
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > or
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ARNs. Our implementation signs temporary
> > >> > credentials
> > >> > > > > with a
> > >> > > > > > > > > parent
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > token’s
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret, scoped to a bucket and a set of
> > >> prefixes.
> > >> > The
> > >> > > > > > account
> > >> > > > > > > > ID
> > >> > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jurisdiction come from the R2 endpoint.
> > Putting
> > >> the
> > >> > > > > account
> > >> > > > > > > ID
> > >> > > > > > > > in
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > roleArn
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or userArn would give those fields a
> different
> > >> > meaning,
> > >> > > > > so
> > >> > > > > > > I’ve
> > >> > > > > > > > > > left
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > absent for CLOUDFLARE_R2.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I pursued Option B. The S3 configuration
> gains
> > >> one
> > >> > new
> > >> > > > > > field,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > credentialIssuer, with values STS
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (default) and CLOUDFLARE_R2 and a realm
> > >> allowlist
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > SUPPORTED_S3_CREDENTIAL_ISSUERS that
> defaults
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to [STS]. I left stsUnavailable untouched
> > >> > (Prithvi) so
> > >> > > > it
> > >> > > > > > > still
> > >> > > > > > > > > > means
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "vend nothing". The
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > credentialIssuer is the explicit sign. The
> R2
> > >> > config
> > >> > > > > > rejects
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stsUnavailable along with a host of other
> STS
> > >> and
> > >> > KMS
> > >> > > > > > fields.
> > >> > > > > > > > I'm
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > running
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this in our non-production environment at
> the
> > >> > moment.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Draft PR for stage 1 (config field, API,
> > >> allowlist,
> > >> > > > > gates):
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5513
> .
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still see the appeal of a separate R2
> > >> > configuration,
> > >> > > > as
> > >> > > > > > > > Dmitri
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested. My original reason for separating
> > it
> > >> > was to
> > >> > > > > keep
> > >> > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > R2-specific
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration and validation together.
> Having
> > >> > > > > > > > > > getCloudflareR2Endpoint
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AwsStorageConfigurationInfo is one part I’d
> > >> still
> > >> > like
> > >> > > > > > > feedback
> > >> > > > > > > > > on.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to put a working version of Option
> B
> > in
> > >> > front
> > >> > > > of
> > >> > > > > > > > > everyone
> > >> > > > > > > > > > so
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could discuss the actual changes. In my
> > earlier
> > >> > > > > > > implementation,
> > >> > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate config also meant a separate
> storage
> > >> type
> > >> > > > > sharing
> > >> > > > > > > > > > S3FileIO.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > That
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was the tradeoff that led me to try Option
> B.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the diffs change anyone’s lean here? And
> > are
> > >> the
> > >> > > > names
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > credentialIssuer
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > / STS / CLOUDFLARE_R2 /
> > >> > SUPPORTED_S3_CREDENTIAL_ISSUERS
> > >> > > > > > > > > acceptable?
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Austen
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get Outlook for Mac<
> > >> > https://aka.ms/GetOutlookForMac>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Dmitri Bourlatchkov <[email protected]
> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, September 13, 2026 at 19:50
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] <
> > >> [email protected]
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Cloudflare R2 support
> > >> with
> > >> > > > scoped
> > >> > > > > > > > > credential
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > vending
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Building on top of Ayush's and JB's
> > suggestion,
> > >> I
> > >> > agree
> > >> > > > > > that
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > jurisdiction
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can live inside the existing endpoint config
> > >> field.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That leaves only Account ID, so potentially
> we
> > >> > could
> > >> > > > > store
> > >> > > > > > it
> > >> > > > > > > > in
> > >> > > > > > > > > > user
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > role ARN. Note that userArn is currently
> > unused
> > >> in
> > >> > OSS
> > >> > > > > > code.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That should allow us to keep existing
> > >> > > > > > > > AwsStorageConfigurationInfo
> > >> > > > > > > > > > for
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > all
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > S3 storage backend, but will require special
> > >> > parsing of
> > >> > > > > > > > user/role
> > >> > > > > > > > > > ARN
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > field
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to distinguish R2 from the other systems.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm still leaning towards the separate
> > >> > > > > > > > > R2StorageConfigurationInfo,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > but
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be ok with overloading user/role ARN too if
> > >> other
> > >> > > > people
> > >> > > > > > > prefer
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > that. I
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > guess a key question in this context is
> > whether
> > >> R2
> > >> > has
> > >> > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > concept
> > >> > > > > > > > > > of
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > role
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ARN at all.... but TBH I have no idea about
> > >> that. I
> > >> > > > hope
> > >> > > > > > > Austen
> > >> > > > > > > > > > might
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to clarify that.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitri.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2026 at 9:18 AM Prithvi S <
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Austen,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, and thanks for starting with a
> > >> > [DISCUSS].
> > >> > > > Best
> > >> > > > > > way
> > >> > > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > make a
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > first
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution :)
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the thread is talking about two
> > >> layers,
> > >> > and
> > >> > > > we
> > >> > > > > > can
> > >> > > > > > > > keep
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > both
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answers.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the client side this should stay S3:
> > s3://
> > >> > > > > locations,
> > >> > > > > > > s3.*
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > properties,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S3FileIO. Your PyIceberg / DuckDB /
> Iceberg
> > >> Java
> > >> > > > > results
> > >> > > > > > > > > already
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > show
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unmodified clients work, so a dedicated
> > >> R2FileIO
> > >> > does
> > >> > > > > not
> > >> > > > > > > > seem
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > worth
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > it.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the server side I lean toward Dmitri: a
> > >> > distinct
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R2StorageConfigurationInfo and storage
> > >> > integration.
> > >> > > > > > > Issuance
> > >> > > > > > > > is
> > >> > > > > > > > > > not
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > STS,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and folding Cloudflare fields into
> > >> > > > > > > > AwsStorageConfigurationInfo
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > mixes
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unrelated concepts. The middle ground to
> > avoid
> > >> > is a
> > >> > > > new
> > >> > > > > > > type
> > >> > > > > > > > > that
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AWS-shaped underneath.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One concrete caution if the Option B
> > prototype
> > >> > stays
> > >> > > > on
> > >> > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > S3
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > config:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please do not overload stsUnavailable.
> Today
> > >> that
> > >> > > > flag
> > >> > > > > > > skips
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > AssumeRole
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disables vending. R2 wants the opposite.
> > vend,
> > >> > just
> > >> > > > not
> > >> > > > > > via
> > >> > > > > > > > > STS.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > so
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flag would change meaning for existing
> > MinIO /
> > >> > NetApp
> > >> > > > > > > > catalogs.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > If
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > we
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stay
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on S3 config, we need an explicit vending
> > >> > signal; a
> > >> > > > > > > dedicated
> > >> > > > > > > > > R2
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > type
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > avoids that trap.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On config surface, jurisdiction can live
> in
> > >> > endpoint
> > >> > > > > > > > > (<account>.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > r2.cloudflarestorage.com vs
> > >> <account>.eu.r2...).
> > >> > > > > Account
> > >> > > > > > > ID
> > >> > > > > > > > is
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > still
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the JWT sub, so keeping an explicit
> > >> > accountId and
> > >> > > > > > > > deriving
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > audience
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the endpoint seems enough. Parent
> > tokens
> > >> > should
> > >> > > > > stay
> > >> > > > > > > in
> > >> > > > > > > > > > server
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > config
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via storageName.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Local signing fits the vending model.
> > >> > Fail-closed on
> > >> > > > > > > > > cross-bucket
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mixed
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read/write grants is the right call.
> Prefix
> > >> > claims
> > >> > > > > should
> > >> > > > > > > > > follow
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > same
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > path comparison Polaris already uses, so
> we
> > do
> > >> > not
> > >> > > > > mint a
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > credential
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wider
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than the grant.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 to small PRs: FileIO discriminator
> > (#4486)
> > >> > > > > separately
> > >> > > > > > if
> > >> > > > > > > > R2
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > needs
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > it,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then management API + Java config, then
> > >> vending,
> > >> > > > Python
> > >> > > > > > CLI
> > >> > > > > > > > on
> > >> > > > > > > > > > its
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > own.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sketching MinIO / Backblaze against the
> same
> > >> > fields
> > >> > > > is
> > >> > > > > a
> > >> > > > > > > > useful
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > design
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check; a generic non-STS SPI can wait for
> a
> > >> > second
> > >> > > > > > backend.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prithvi S
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2026 at 4:31 AM Dmitri
> > >> > Bourlatchkov <
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Austen,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for starting this contribution!
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After briefly looking through your PR
> [1]
> > I
> > >> > think
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adding R2StorageConfigInfo makes sense.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even though "aws" in
> > >> > AwsStorageConfigurationInfo is
> > >> > > > > > > longer
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > implies
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > AWS
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services, and MinIO, Rust, Ozone are
> > >> supported
> > >> > just
> > >> > > > > as
> > >> > > > > > > > well,
> > >> > > > > > > > > R2
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > appears
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be significantly different from
> STS-based
> > S3
> > >> > > > systems
> > >> > > > > > > that a
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > separate
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > config
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is probably the most natural way to
> > support
> > >> it
> > >> > in
> > >> > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > Polaris
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > codebase.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The alternative, I guess, is to add R2
> > >> > accountId
> > >> > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > jurisdiction
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > optional properties to
> > >> > AwsStorageConfigurationInfo
> > >> > > > > (or
> > >> > > > > > > > > overload
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > existing
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properties), but that looks like mixing
> > >> > unrelated
> > >> > > > > > > concepts
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > together.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a generic property bag to
> > >> > > > > > > > AwsStorageConfigurationInfo
> > >> > > > > > > > > is
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convenient because
> > >> > > > > > PolarisStorageIntegrationProviderImpl
> > >> > > > > > > > will
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > probably
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to know how to interpret it in order to
> > >> > redirect
> > >> > > > > > > credential
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > vending
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requests to R2-specific code.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder whether
> > R2StorageConfigurationInfo
> > >> and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AwsStorageConfigurationInfo
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (and corresponding "storage integration"
> > >> > classes)
> > >> > > > > could
> > >> > > > > > > > > share a
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > common
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > base
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > class for common properties (e.g.
> > endpoint).
> > >> > Even
> > >> > > > > > though
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > "endpoint"
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > might
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be relevant to R2 in the cloud, the
> > fact
> > >> > that
> > >> > > > > > > S3FileIO
> > >> > > > > > > > > uses
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > it,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R2
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is accessed via S3FileIO means we should
> > >> > probably
> > >> > > > > allow
> > >> > > > > > > > users
> > >> > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configure
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the full set of FileIO properties just
> in
> > >> case.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is fine for different
> > >> > > > > > > PolarisStorageIntegration
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementations
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to produce the same kind of
> > >> > StorageAccessConfig (S3
> > >> > > > > in
> > >> > > > > > > this
> > >> > > > > > > > > > case)
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause S3FileIO to be used by clients
> > >> (including
> > >> > > > > > Polaris'
> > >> > > > > > > > own
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > storage
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paths).
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Changes in StorageTypeFileIO in [1]
> look a
> > >> bit
> > >> > > > > > concerning
> > >> > > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > me.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if this code could be refactored to
> avoid
> > >> > > > > dependencies
> > >> > > > > > on
> > >> > > > > > > > > > storage
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > config
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > types completely.... but TBH, I did not
> > look
> > >> > too
> > >> > > > > deeply
> > >> > > > > > > > into
> > >> > > > > > > > > > this
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > today.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anticipating future PRs for this in the
> > >> Polaris
> > >> > > > repo,
> > >> > > > > > I'd
> > >> > > > > > > > > like
> > >> > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ask
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate Python code changes from java
> > >> changes
> > >> > > > since
> > >> > > > > > > these
> > >> > > > > > > > > > areas
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > usually
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attract different reviewers :)
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From my POV, management API and matching
> > >> java
> > >> > > > changes
> > >> > > > > > can
> > >> > > > > > > > be
> > >> > > > > > > > > in
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > same
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR. I'd say docs should come later (to
> > keep
> > >> PRs
> > >> > > > > small).
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All in all, thank you again and I hope
> > this
> > >> > > > > > contribution
> > >> > > > > > > > > lands
> > >> > > > > > > > > > in
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Polaris
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :)
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > >> > https://github.com/deepdishgary/polaris/pull/1
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitri.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2026 at 1:52 PM
> > >> Jean-Baptiste
> > >> > > > Onofré
> > >> > > > > <
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Austen,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice discussion! Thanks for that, and
> > >> welcome
> > >> > > > > aboard
> > >> > > > > > :)
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it makes sense to have R2
> built
> > >> > under the
> > >> > > > > > > > existing
> > >> > > > > > > > > S3
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > storage
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration. It matches how Polaris
> is
> > >> > already
> > >> > > > > > > > > structured:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > StorageType is keyed on the URI scheme
> > >> > (s3://,
> > >> > > > > > s3a://),
> > >> > > > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AwsStorageConfigurationInfo already
> > >> carries
> > >> > > > > endpoint,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > stsEndpoint,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pathStyleAccess and, importantly, an
> > >> > > > stsUnavailable
> > >> > > > > > > flag.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what you need is largely there
> > >> already:
> > >> > > > correct
> > >> > > > > > me
> > >> > > > > > > if
> > >> > > > > > > > > I'm
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R2 is essentially "S3 compatible store
> > >> where
> > >> > STS
> > >> > > > is
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > unavailable,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > plus
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a way to actually vend credentials in
> > that
> > >> > case".
> > >> > > > > > Going
> > >> > > > > > > > > this
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > route
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also keeps this work "isolated" from
> the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > FileIO-per-storage-type
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The interesting design question is a
> > >> > pluggable
> > >> > > > > > > credential
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > vending
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > path
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for S3 compatible stores when STS is
> not
> > >> > > > available,
> > >> > > > > > > with
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cloudflare's
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > local signing as the first concrete
> > >> > > > implementation,
> > >> > > > > > > > rather
> > >> > > > > > > > > > than
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > R2
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific code. It would be good to
> > sketch
> > >> how
> > >> > > > MinIO
> > >> > > > > > > would
> > >> > > > > > > > > > slot
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same config fields before the
> > vending
> > >> > path
> > >> > > > > > hardens
> > >> > > > > > > > > around
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > R2.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe we have to check if
> Cloudflare
> > >> > account
> > >> > > > ID
> > >> > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > jurisdiction
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really need dedicated config fields,
> or
> > >> can
> > >> > we
> > >> > > > use
> > >> > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > endpoint
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > value
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (with documentation)? Keeping the
> > >> > configuration
> > >> > > > > > surface
> > >> > > > > > > > > > minimal
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help the design generalize.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to discuss two things:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Polaris shipping a Cloudflare API
> > token
> > >> > and
> > >> > > > > > locally
> > >> > > > > > > > > > minting
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > scoped
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > credentials makes it effectively an
> STS
> > >> for
> > >> > R2,
> > >> > > > > which
> > >> > > > > > > > > > increases
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blast radius of a server compromise.
> > Your
> > >> > "reject
> > >> > > > > > > rather
> > >> > > > > > > > > than
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > boarden"
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handling of unrepresentable scopes is
> > the
> > >> > right
> > >> > > > > call.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The PyIceberg/DuckDB/Java results
> are
> > >> > > > promising.
> > >> > > > > > > Just
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > curious
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spark or Trino.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We love small, well-scoped PRs. I
> would
> > >> > suggest
> > >> > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > start
> > >> > > > > > > > > with
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > S3
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > config and the management API as first
> > >> > shoot, and
> > >> > > > > we
> > >> > > > > > > can
> > >> > > > > > > > > > follow
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the credential vending implementation.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2026 at 8:18 PM Austen
> > >> Tomek
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m Austen Tomek from Chicago
> Trading
> > >> > Company.
> > >> > > > We
> > >> > > > > > use
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Polaris
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iceberg catalogs and we're evaluating
> > >> > Cloudflare
> > >> > > > R2
> > >> > > > > > as
> > >> > > > > > > an
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > object
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > store
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no egress fees make it a very
> compelling
> > >> > > > product).
> > >> > > > > > I’d
> > >> > > > > > > > like
> > >> > > > > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributing R2 support and credential
> > >> > vending to
> > >> > > > > > > Polaris
> > >> > > > > > > > > > with
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > goal
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting feedback before opening a
> > >> > > > ready-for-review
> > >> > > > > > > > upstream
> > >> > > > > > > > > > PR.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > This
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first contribution, so trying to do
> this
> > >> > right.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R2 exposes S3-compatible APIs but it
> > >> does
> > >> > not
> > >> > > > > > provide
> > >> > > > > > > > AWS
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > STS.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cloudflare instead supports these
> > >> > short-lived,
> > >> > > > > scoped
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > credentials
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by locally signed JWT with the server
> > >> > holding the
> > >> > > > > > > parent
> > >> > > > > > > > > API
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > token
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1].
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This allows us to retain Polaris’s
> > >> > authorization
> > >> > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > credential-vending
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > model while storing our table data in
> > R2.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a prototype with the
> following
> > >> > design:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   *
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An opt-in R2 storage type, with
> > catalog
> > >> > > > > > configuration
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > identifying
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cloudflare account and optional
> > >> jurisdiction.
> > >> > > > > Parent
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > credentials
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > remain
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > server configuration and can be
> selected
> > >> > through
> > >> > > > > > > > > storageName.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   *
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Local credential generation using
> > >> > Cloudflare’s
> > >> > > > > > > > documented
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > format.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Credentials expire, are restricted to
> > one
> > >> > bucket,
> > >> > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > carry
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > prefix
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access scopes derived from Polaris’s
> > >> location
> > >> > > > > grants.
> > >> > > > > > > The
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > integration
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uses
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Polaris’s existing credential cache.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   *
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Credentials returned through the
> > >> existing
> > >> > > > Iceberg
> > >> > > > > > > REST
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > vending
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > flow
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s3.* properties, including the
> endpoint,
> > >> > session
> > >> > > > > > token,
> > >> > > > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > expiry.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Compatible clients use their existing
> S3
> > >> > FileIO.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   *
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conservative handling of scopes the
> > >> > > > > implementation
> > >> > > > > > > > cannot
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cross-bucket and mixed read/write
> grants
> > >> are
> > >> > > > > rejected
> > >> > > > > > > > > rather
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > than
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > broadened. R2 is excluded from the
> > default
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > supported-storage-types
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The main design questions I feel
> this
> > >> runs
> > >> > > > into:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   *
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should this be a distinct storage
> type
> > >> or a
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > credential-vending
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mechanism
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > selected through the existing S3
> > >> > configuration?
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >      *
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I chose a separate type because the
> > >> > identity,
> > >> > > > > > > > credential
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generation,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scoping model differ from AWS STS, as
> > this
> > >> > seemed
> > >> > > > > > more
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > appropriate
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a draft preview PR against
> my
> > >> fork
> > >> > > > [2],
> > >> > > > > > > > > including
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementation, management API
> changes,
> > >> CLI
> > >> > > > > support,
> > >> > > > > > > > tests,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > documentation. It also discloses the
> AI
> > >> > > > assistance
> > >> > > > > > used
> > >> > > > > > > > > > during
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementation. I leaned heavily on
> > Fable
> > >> > 5.1 for
> > >> > > > > > this
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > implementation
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to be upfront about it.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are running the implementation
> in a
> > >> > > > > > non-production
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > environment
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now as a POC. Validation includes live
> > R2
> > >> > > > > > reads/writes,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > multipart
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > operations, negative scope-boundary
> > tests,
> > >> > our
> > >> > > > > > internal
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Python
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > client
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regression matrix, and credential
> > >> > > > rotation/recovery
> > >> > > > > > > > > > exercises.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upstream
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CI workflow has passed on the fork.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The change also encounters the
> > existing
> > >> > > > > assumption
> > >> > > > > > > > that a
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > FileIO
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementation identifies exactly one
> > >> storage
> > >> > > > type:
> > >> > > > > > > both
> > >> > > > > > > > S3
> > >> > > > > > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > R2
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > use
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S3FileIO. This overlaps with #4486
> [3].
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’d particularly appreciate feedback
> > on:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   1.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should R2 have its own storage
> > >> > > > > configuration/type,
> > >> > > > > > or
> > >> > > > > > > > > > should
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > non-STS
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vending be modeled within the existing
> > S3
> > >> > > > > > integration?
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   2.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the local-signing approach fit
> > >> > Polaris’s
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > credential-vending
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > model?
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any additional constraints or
> > validations
> > >> > > > > necessary?
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   3.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you prefer the shared FileIO
> > >> > validation
> > >> > > > > > change
> > >> > > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > land
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separately,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and how should we sequence the
> > management
> > >> > API and
> > >> > > > > R2
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > integration
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes?
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Happy to adapt the design and
> split
> > >> the
> > >> > > > > > > contribution
> > >> > > > > > > > > into
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > more
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > focused
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PRs. Wanted to start the discussion
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Thanks,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Austen
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   [1]
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> https://developers.cloudflare.com/r2/api/s3/temporary-credentials/
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   [2]
> > >> > > > > > https://github.com/deepdishgary/polaris/pull/1
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   [3]
> > >> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/issues/4486
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get Outlook for Mac<
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