Yeah, that's a good topic to discuss; I guess it touches on our core
(unresolved?) conventions on how we organize API url-prefixes and yaml
files. Reposting my response to the github comment as well:

Right, I think we could certainly split the API routes and yaml-definitions
even further if we want to ensure a well-defined auth-detail-free core, but
for the standalone-Polaris use case we'd still need to define it *somewhere*
under a Sharing-specific surface, right?

@dimas-b <https://github.com/dimas-b> Were you thinking of just splitting
the yaml file but keeping the share-management root, or adding a third
sharing prefix like
/api/shares-management-consumer-credentials/v1/external-consumers/{name}/credentials...
?

Or just yaml-file split would be keeping
/api/shares-management/v1/external-consumers/{name}/credentials... but
putting it in a separate yaml file to make it easy for service-runners to
choose not to support that whole yaml file's concrete APIs.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2026 at 3:23 PM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Re: the shating API PR [5446], I'm repeating my GH comment here for
> visibility.
>
> I'd like the API to be neutral from the authentication perspective.
>
> This is how we handle the IRC spec in Polaris. The API declares that
> clients need to authenticate, but specific details about principals,
> clients and secrets are delegated to the server.
>
> I think this is a sound approach for the sharing API too. Specific details
> related to native Polaris principals (ConsumerCredential, etc.) can
> probably remain in the Management API.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks,
> Dmitri.
>
> [5446] https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5446
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2026 at 12:50 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > As I said during the community meeting, let's focus on the API PR
> > first. We will build from there.
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2026 at 3:18 AM Dennis Huo <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1, thanks for the discussion everyone!
> > >
> > > Yes, I meant to flip it to "ready to review" earlier; flipped it now.
> I'm
> > > still working through the existing set of comments and may need to come
> > > back to it in the next few days before getting proper replies, but feel
> > > free to add additional comments.
> > >
> > > Recapping the community sync discussion re: Dmitri's last message, I'm
> > > fully aligned on building the sharing on top of existing authz
> > mechanisms,
> > > instead of being a new mechanism, and indeed external IdP is intended
> to
> > be
> > > a first-class supported use case.
> > >
> > > The latest distinction is that the ExternalConsumer isn't fundamentally
> > > identified by any internal PolarisPrincipal, but rather that it serves
> > as a
> > > wrapper that references some identity, whether that identity is defined
> > in
> > > an external IdP without any latent in-Polaris representation or if
> it's a
> > > hidden PolarisPrincipal (for the Polaris-standalone RBAC use case).
> > >
> > > The sharing endpoint via ExternalConsumer is the only layer of
> > indirection
> > > at the API entry-point, but then once the set of activePrincipalRoles
> is
> > > resolved, the underlying authz engine doesn't behave any differently
> from
> > > normal Polaris authz.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2026 at 5:58 PM Yufei Gu <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks everyone for the discussion!
> > > >
> > > > As a next step discussed in today's community sync, we will start
> > reviewing
> > > > the spec change.
> > > >
> > > > Hi Dennis, is this PR ready for review?
> > > > https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5446
> > > >
> > > > Yufei
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2026 at 12:23 PM Travis Bowen <
> [email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks for this discussion Dennis!
> > > > >
> > > > > Wanted to weigh in with my thoughts and questions.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you prefer /api/shares-management/v1/
> > > > > > instead of adding to /api/management/v1?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > While I can see the argument for a share specific management
> endpoint
> > > > there
> > > > > doesn't seem to be a clear obvious choice from what I can see - I
> > lean
> > > > > towards /api/management as being the central place for all the
> > > > management -
> > > > > share or not. As long as we're careful not to leak share types or
> non
> > > > share
> > > > > types into the wrong api (which could be helped by having separate
> > yamls)
> > > > > then it feels reasonable to have all under the management api.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also went through the doc and PR and made several comments as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2026 at 9:54 AM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <
> > [email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Prithvi mentioned ExternalConsumer and principals. I'd like to
> > > > > > reinforce the need to further discuss "consumers" and principals
> > and
> > > > how
> > > > > > they relate to IdP and Polaris Authentication.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From my POV, share access control should not be a new mechanism
> but
> > > > > should
> > > > > > build on top of the existing extensible authentication /
> > authorization
> > > > > > framework. Supporting external IdP for shares would be a valuable
> > > > feature
> > > > > > IMHO.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Side note: I'm posting comments on PR 5446 too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Dmitri.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2026 at 3:30 PM Prithvi S <
> > [email protected]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you for reviving this, and for the concrete spec in PR
> > 5446..
> > > > the
> > > > > > > journeys doc was especially helpful for seeing the end-to-end
> > flow.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree this is worth doing, and that v1 is more than a
> tutorial
> > on
> > > > > > today's
> > > > > > > RBAC. A partner principal on /api/catalog is already possible;
> > what
> > > > > seems
> > > > > > > valuable is a first-class share (enumerated members, a
> restricted
> > > > > > consumer,
> > > > > > > a listing as the binding and audit unit) plus a segregated,
> > read-only
> > > > > > > Iceberg REST surface with credential vending. Stock Iceberg
> REST
> > as
> > > > the
> > > > > > > consumer protocol, and keeping Flight and Polaris-to-Polaris
> > > > federation
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > of v1, all sound right to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't have a strong view yet on the URL layout (management vs
> > > > shares
> > > > > > > prefix, nested vs top-level, prefix keyed by share vs listing)
> > and am
> > > > > > happy
> > > > > > > to follow whatever the community prefers there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A few things I wanted to check on the spec itself, several of
> > these
> > > > > echo
> > > > > > > points already raised on the list:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. Membership as source of truth. If a hidden catalog role is
> > > > > > independently
> > > > > > > grantable, a share could be widened without going through the
> > share
> > > > > APIs.
> > > > > > > Would it make sense to say the data plane authorizes against
> > > > > membership +
> > > > > > > listing, and that any backing roles are not user-visible / not
> > > > > > > independently grantable?
> > > > > > > 2. ExternalConsumer and principals. The Aug 7 recap already
> > noted we
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > > not assume a PrincipalEntity behind every ExternalConsumer. The
> > > > > journeys
> > > > > > > still describe granting the consumer a share principal role, I
> > assume
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > is an implementation sketch for v1 client_id/secret, not the
> > public
> > > > > > model?
> > > > > > > 3. Listing expiration. JB's original note was "share these
> tables
> > > > with
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > consumer until this date." Credential expiry is a bit
> different.
> > > > Would
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > listing-level expiration (and maybe ACTIVE/SUSPENDED) be in
> > scope for
> > > > > v1?
> > > > > > > 4. Time-travel. As raised in the community sync, sharing via
> > Iceberg
> > > > > REST
> > > > > > > means historical snapshots remain readable. Totally fine for v1
> > to
> > > > > > support
> > > > > > > only full history, would an explicit field on the share help
> so a
> > > > later
> > > > > > > CURRENT_ONLY option is not a breaking surprise?
> > > > > > > 5. Consumer data plane. The current file is control-plane only,
> > which
> > > > > is
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > good first step. It might help to list the Iceberg routes that
> > are
> > > > > > mounted,
> > > > > > > that writes 404, that non-members 404, and that /config does
> not
> > > > return
> > > > > > > provider catalog properties, so implementations don't diverge.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Two smaller notes, if useful: in the J1 journey the consumer
> > still
> > > > > posts
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > /api/catalog/v1/oauth/tokens, if partners are not supposed to
> > touch
> > > > the
> > > > > > > internal catalog API, should the default token endpoint live on
> > the
> > > > > > shares
> > > > > > > surface (or an external IdP)? And on Dmitri's point about share
> > > > > operators
> > > > > > > vs catalog operators, a SHARE_MANAGE privilege on the bound
> > catalog
> > > > > > > (independent of CATALOG_MANAGE_ACCESS) would make that work on
> > any
> > > > URL
> > > > > > > prefix.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Happy to review the next revision, and thanks again to both of
> > you
> > > > for
> > > > > > > driving this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Prithvi S
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2026 at 4:38 PM Dennis Huo <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As discussed live, looks like we both might have some drafts
> > we can
> > > > > > > compare
> > > > > > > > and choose/merge from :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here's my current draft spec PR; it opts for my preferred
> > syntax
> > > > > > choices
> > > > > > > > for now (/api/management/ for share-management, /api/shares/
> > for
> > > > > > consumer
> > > > > > > > data-plane): https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/5446
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since we were talking about preferring mdfiles for design
> > iteration
> > > > > > > here's
> > > > > > > > a companion design-addendum which just enumerates what the
> > > > end-to-end
> > > > > > > user
> > > > > > > > journeys look like syntactically for each combination of
> design
> > > > > > choices:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> https://github.com/dennishuo/dhuo-public-provenance/blob/main/polaris-sharing/design/shares-journeys.md
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please let me know if anyone prefers a Google Doc version of
> > the
> > > > > > > > design-addendum for easier commenting, or if the
> > design-addendum
> > > > > itself
> > > > > > > > should also be modeled as a PR on some free-floating branch
> > just to
> > > > > > > capture
> > > > > > > > comments.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2026 at 7:22 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > > > [email protected]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am resuming work on this proposal.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regarding our recent discussion, I will move forward with
> > > > opening a
> > > > > > > > > draft PR for the /api/shares/v1 endpoint to help illustrate
> > the
> > > > > > > > > design.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I will update this thread once the PR is ready.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > JB
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2026 at 5:04 PM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <
> > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Dennis,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the recap!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I was thinking that share management is probably distinct
> > from
> > > > > > > catalog
> > > > > > > > > > management. A user who already has a realm+catalog may
> > have an
> > > > > > option
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > manage shares, but not the catalog itself. Would it make
> > sense
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > separate
> > > > > > > > > > the share management API from the general Polaris
> > management
> > > > > API? I
> > > > > > > > mean
> > > > > > > > > > using a different prefix for URIs.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For example: /api/shares/v1/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Obviously clients should not make any assumptions about
> the
> > > > base
> > > > > > path
> > > > > > > > > > (/api/shares), which could be different in different
> > > > deployments
> > > > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > > > > > going through a gateway). Clients must be able to take
> the
> > base
> > > > > URI
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > config option. Path segments after /v1/ will be specified
> > by
> > > > > > Polaris
> > > > > > > > > (Open
> > > > > > > > > > API yaml).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > WDYT?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitri.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2026 at 3:52 AM Dennis Huo <
> [email protected]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just to recap some of the discussion from today's
> > community
> > > > > sync,
> > > > > > > > > Dmitri,
> > > > > > > > > > > Robert, and Alex helped raise a few considerations to
> > roll
> > > > into
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > design/prototyping phase:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Given the way sharing is packaged as a separate
> > thing, it
> > > > > may
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > obvious to users that historical snapshots are equally
> > > > > available
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > consumers as the latest snapshot (by virtue of sharing
> > via
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > standard IRC
> > > > > > > > > > > protocol) - we should make sure to document that fact
> > well,
> > > > > > > including
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > pitfall that deleting rows by updating a table doesn't
> > > > > > necessarily
> > > > > > > > mean
> > > > > > > > > > > those rows become inaccessible to consumers
> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Make sure not to hard-code assumptions about the
> > existence
> > > > > of
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > internal PrincipalEntity backing an ExternalConsumer -
> > even
> > > > if
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > > MVP implementation uses a nested/hidden Principal of
> some
> > > > type
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > holds a
> > > > > > > > > > > Polaris-managed client_id/client_secret, the 3rd-party
> > IdP
> > > > use
> > > > > > > cases
> > > > > > > > > > > require "implicit" Principals resolved via the oauth
> > token.
> > > > In
> > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > > cases
> > > > > > > > > > > the ExternalConsumer contains the metadata coordinating
> > the
> > > > > > > three-way
> > > > > > > > > > > handshake between the data-provider, data-consumer, and
> > IdP,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > no PrincipalEntity underlying it.
> > > > > > > > > > > 3. Longer-term, we may want to tackle "on-behalf-of"
> > > > semantics
> > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > initially,
> > > > > > > > > > > the way an ExternalConsumer works is that the
> > finer-grained
> > > > > > > consumer
> > > > > > > > > users
> > > > > > > > > > > share a single ExternalConsumer identity, just like
> how a
> > > > > > FEDERATED
> > > > > > > > > catalog
> > > > > > > > > > > shares a single service principal in its
> > ConnectionConfig.
> > > > But
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > cases the consumer may want some end-to-end attribution
> > of
> > > > > > > > fine-grained
> > > > > > > > > > > users, like "on-behalf-of: bob @ consumercompany.com"
> > when
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > ExternalConsumer implicit principal is something like
> > > > > > > > > > > "externalconsumer$consumercompany"
> > > > > > > > > > > 4. We can iterate more rapidly on a draft spec PR and
> > also
> > > > > expand
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > detailed technical design
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > Dennis
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 6:12 PM Dennis Huo <
> > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks JB for reviving this thread, and belated
> thanks
> > to
> > > > all
> > > > > > > > > reviewers
> > > > > > > > > > > > who have left feedback in the doc or this thread so
> > far!
> > > > And
> > > > > > > > > apologies
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > the silence on this, it's still been on my radar but
> I
> > got
> > > > > > > > > distracted by
> > > > > > > > > > > > some other work for awhile.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Echoing JB's summary, the proposal is indeed that
> we're
> > > > > mostly
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > reusing existing Authz/RBAC machinery, and the
> > translation
> > > > > > layer
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > sharing concepts sits *on top of* the existing authz
> > engine
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > possible.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So even if we're adding layers of indirection on
> > > > > > > > > ExternalConsumer/Listing
> > > > > > > > > > > > -> Principal/PrincipalRole/CatalogRole+grants, the
> > parts
> > > > that
> > > > > > end
> > > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > > > > > the underlying authz just reuse existing Authorizer
> > logic.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Based on some other offline discussion with Dmitri, I
> > > > > realized
> > > > > > > why
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion around "requirements" may have been
> > confusing:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. My attempts to shorten the doc inadvertently cut
> out
> > > > some
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > > "abstract requirements" formulations
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The project in itself is somewhat more of a "form
> > *as*
> > > > > > > function"
> > > > > > > > > > > > feature than *strictly* functional in nature -- for
> > > > example,
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > > > correctly
> > > > > > > > > > > > pointed out that "sharing" via the existing
> > RBAC/Principals
> > > > > > > syntax
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > already *possible* just by letting a cross-org
> > "consumer"
> > > > be
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > first-class
> > > > > > > > > > > > principal and access your own company's main Polaris
> > > > catalog
> > > > > > > > > endpoints.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For (1) I added this to the Requirements section in
> > the doc
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > > > clarify the abstract form of the data model element:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > *A. Sharing Container*: Container concept for holding
> > > > things
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > want to
> > > > > > > > > > > > share - “ShareEntity”
> > > > > > > > > > > > *B. Consumer Identity*: Special flavor of
> > principal-like
> > > > > entity
> > > > > > > > > > > > representing a consumer relationship -
> > “ExternalConsumer”
> > > > > > > > > > > > *C. Map Containers to Consumers*: A way to specify
> > letting
> > > > a
> > > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > > > > > consumer access a given sharing container - “Listing”
> > > > > > > > > > > > *D. Consumer Endpoint*: A segregated API access-point
> > for
> > > > > > > > consumers -
> > > > > > > > > > > > “EndpointConfig”
> > > > > > > > > > > > *E. Objects in Containers*: A way to specify which
> > > > in-catalog
> > > > > > > > objects
> > > > > > > > > > > > belong in the big sharing container -
> “ShareMembership”
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This still bakes in a bit of implementation detail
> > since it
> > > > > > begs
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > question why not just let core RBAC/grants handle (C)
> > and
> > > > > (E).
> > > > > > To
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > end,
> > > > > > > > > > > > and addressing problem (2) of where the "form *is*
> > > > > function", I
> > > > > > > > > added a
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Concept Mapping" tab:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y0yQi5iWbmuTHPkFiIs7WjIiC3EXJTl1PzZ-wtoRnZ0/edit?tab=t.rms5bxy0jntc#heading=h.wuh830gzomt0
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think the details of more advanced features can
> > still be
> > > > > > hashed
> > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > > incrementally without blocking work on an MVP (and
> > > > certainly
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > MVP
> > > > > > > > > > > scope
> > > > > > > > > > > > could be trimmed so we can launch-and-iterate), so as
> > long
> > > > as
> > > > > > > > there's
> > > > > > > > > > > > community alignment on the general direction I
> propose
> > we
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > > move
> > > > > > > > > > > > forward on basic building blocks. Or if building
> blocks
> > > > > > > themselves
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > controversial we could still proceed with some
> > prototyping
> > > > > > across
> > > > > > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > > > options.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dennis
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2026 at 10:44 PM Jean-Baptiste
> Onofré <
> > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi everyone,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> I would like to resume the discussion about Data
> > Sharing
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > Polaris
> > > > > > > > > > > >> and propose focusing on three major items to help us
> > move
> > > > > > > forward.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> 1.  What is data sharing?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>     In a nutshell, it is an open protocol proposal
> > > > allowing
> > > > > > > > > > > >> organizations to share live data without copying or
> > > > > > replication.
> > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > >> main goal is zero-copy sharing achieved through
> shared
> > > > > > metadata
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > >> authorization.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> On Polaris, this would mean:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> a. The consumer is authenticated as usual.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> b. The Polaris server provides the consumer with
> > direct
> > > > > access
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >> data files (e.g., Parquet, as specified in the
> > > > > metadata.json).
> > > > > > > > > > > >> c. The consumer reads the data files directly using
> > their
> > > > > > > > preferred
> > > > > > > > > > > >> tool (e.g., a query engine).
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> While Polaris already has most of the necessary
> > underlying
> > > > > > > > > > > >> capabilities, we need clear branding/packaging
> around
> > this
> > > > > use
> > > > > > > > case.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Specifically, this means:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> a. A share is a dedicated catalog in the Polaris
> > server,
> > > > or
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > catalog
> > > > > > > > > > > >> role scoped to specific namespaces.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> b. A recipient is represented by a principal and a
> > > > principal
> > > > > > > role.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> c. A consumer profile consists of the catalog URI
> and
> > the
> > > > > > OAuth2
> > > > > > > > > > > >> client_id/client_secret.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> d. We use credential vending (temporary STS
> > credentials)
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > consumer
> > > > > > > > > > > >> access to the data files.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> e. We use the Polaris IRC layer to expose the
> > metadata and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > file
> > > > > > > > > > > >> locations/access.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> f. We can also support Polaris-to-Polaris sharing
> via
> > > > > > > Federation.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Concretely:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>   - On the provider side, we use the standard
> Polaris
> > RBAC
> > > > > > model
> > > > > > > > > > > >> (assigning grants to catalog roles, and assigning
> > those
> > > > > > catalog
> > > > > > > > > roles
> > > > > > > > > > > >> to principal roles):
> > > > > > > > > > > >>       - Create a dedicated principal with its own
> > > > > > > > > > > client_id/client_secret.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>       - Create a catalog role with TABLE_READ_DATA,
> > > > > > TABLE_LIST,
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > >> NAMESPACE_LIST grants on the namespaces to be shared
> > (no
> > > > > write
> > > > > > > > > > > >> grants).
> > > > > > > > > > > >>       - Create a principal role per destination,
> > attach
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > catalog
> > > > > > > > > > > >> role, and assign the principal.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>       - The destination engine uses loadTable with
> the
> > > > > > > > > > > >> "X-Iceberg-Access-Delegation: vended-credentials"
> > header.
> > > > > > > Polaris
> > > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > > >> emits temporary, read-only storage credentials,
> > allowing
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >> read the data files directly from the owner's bucket
> > > > without
> > > > > > > > > accessing
> > > > > > > > > > > >> the rest of the bucket. This achieves zero-copy
> > sharing.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>   - On the recipient/consumer side, no special
> > > > configuration
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > >> needed; any IRC client can use it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> 2.  What is data sharing not?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>     I previously considered adding an Arrow Flight
> > > > endpoint
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Polaris, but I no longer think it is a good idea for
> > the
> > > > > > initial
> > > > > > > > > > > >> phase. An Arrow Flight endpoint would serve the data
> > > > > directly,
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > >> would require Polaris to read the data and expose
> it.
> > I am
> > > > > > > against
> > > > > > > > > > > >> embedding a query engine in Polaris, as this tight
> > > > coupling
> > > > > > > feels
> > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > >> an anti-pattern. While we could use a delegation
> > service
> > > > to
> > > > > > > serve
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Flight endpoint, I think it should be considered
> for a
> > > > later
> > > > > > > > phase,
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > >> at all, since a Flight endpoint might be better
> > suited as
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > consumer
> > > > > > > > > > > >> responsibility and could encourage data copying.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> The first phase should focus on packaging and
> > branding the
> > > > > > > > > > > >> capabilities we already have.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> 3.  What could the Data Sharing "package" look like
> in
> > > > > > Polaris?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>     To make Data Sharing obvious and easy to use, we
> > > > should
> > > > > > > > > introduce
> > > > > > > > > > > >> the missing concept of a "share"—a named definition
> > that
> > > > > users
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > >> list, discover, and define. The goal is to
> > materialize the
> > > > > > > user's
> > > > > > > > > > > >> intent ("I want to share these tables with this
> > consumer
> > > > > until
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > >> date") into standard Polaris entities (principal,
> > > > principal
> > > > > > > role,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> catalog role, and grants).
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Therefore, I propose adding a /shares endpoint to
> the
> > > > > Polaris
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Management API to package and materialize these
> share
> > > > > > > definitions
> > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Polaris entities. This would provide a usable,
> > > > first-version
> > > > > > > > package
> > > > > > > > > > > >> for Polaris Data Sharing.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> I hope this addresses Dmitri's questions and
> provides
> > a
> > > > more
> > > > > > > > > concrete
> > > > > > > > > > > >> scenario for Polaris Data Sharing.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> JB
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, May 28, 2026 at 7:46 AM Dennis Huo <
> > > > [email protected]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Hi All,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > One big emerging enterprise use case coming up as
> > more
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > >> consolidate
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Data Lakehouses and Catalogs is something commonly
> > known
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > > "Data
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Sharing",
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > an more specifically over the course of adoption
> of
> > open
> > > > > > table
> > > > > > > > > formats
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > "Open Data Sharing".
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Examples of existing managed service providers'
> Data
> > > > > Sharing
> > > > > > > > > features:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > https://www.databricks.com/product/delta-sharing
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > https://docs.snowflake.com/en/user-guide/data-sharing-intro
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > https://docs.aws.amazon.com/redshift/latest/dg/datashare-overview.html
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > https://docs.cloud.google.com/bigquery/docs/analytics-hub-introduction
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/fabric/governance/external-data-sharing-overview
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > The basic idea is that when you share data between
> > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > > companies,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> you
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > need a first-class governance/management layer and
> > extra
> > > > > > > > > > > >> bells-and-whistles
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > that are distinct from just the basic capabilities
> > of
> > > > RBAC
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > >> generalized
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > access-control (i.e. if you're sharing across
> > > > > > > > partially-untrusted
> > > > > > > > > org
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > boundaries, you don't just let the consumer
> > organization
> > > > > log
> > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > datalake like one of your own employees).
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > JB and I put together this high-level proposal for
> > > > > > supporting
> > > > > > > > Open
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Sharing
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > in Polaris:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y0yQi5iWbmuTHPkFiIs7WjIiC3EXJTl1PzZ-wtoRnZ0/edit?usp=sharing
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Tentatively, it means adding ~5 logical data model
> > > > > > constructs,
> > > > > > > > > some of
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > which may be a first-class PolarisEntity type,
> > others
> > > > > > subtypes
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > >> existing
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > entities, and others just a nested construct:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >    - ShareEntity (would behave similarly to a
> > Catalog)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >    - ExternalConsumer (mostly inherits from
> > Principal)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >    - Listing (Similar to a "role grant" but has
> > > > different
> > > > > > > > > metadata)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >    - EndpointConfig (nested config under Listing)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >    - ShareMembership (Similar to a "securable
> > grant" but
> > > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > > >> metadata)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Feedback/comments welcome! I'll also bring it up
> for
> > > > live
> > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > there's time in the community sync.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Dennis
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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