Thanks both David and Taylor for the support. I think too that it would be good to have few mentors continuing being involved in the project.
Once the "contributing" PR is merged and the website is updated (we're waiting on Jenkins to come back up at this point), then I will start the VOTE thread on this list to formalize the Pulsar community position. Matteo On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 4:39 PM P. Taylor Goetz <ptgo...@gmail.com> wrote: > For the record, I’m supportive of graduation for Pulsar at this point. > > I think the branding debacle and the maturity model self-assessment has > forced some good introspection on the part of the PPMC in terms of what’s > expected of them as a TLP, and I think they are ready. > > I would like to see a mentor or two continue with the project > post-graduation. > > -Taylor > > > On Aug 30, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > +1 from me as well. > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > >> On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:54 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> +1from me. Nice work. > >> > >> -Taylor > >> > >>> On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:32 PM, Matteo Merli <mme...@apache.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dave, > >>> > >>> I have reworded a bit the "becoming committer" section by adding this > >>> paragraph: > >>> > >>> -------- > >>> Every new committer has to be proposed by a current committer and then > >>> privately discussed and voted in by the members of the Pulsar PMC. > >>> For details about this process and for candidate requirements see the > >>> general [Apache guidelines for assessing new candidates for > committership]( > >>> https://community.apache.org/newcommitter.html). > >>> Candidates prepare for their nomination as committer by contributing > >>> to the Pulsar project and its community, by acting according to the > >>> [Apache Way](https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html), > >>> and by generally following the path from > >>> [contributor to committer](https://community.apache.org/contributors/) > >>> for Apache projects. > >>> -------- > >>> > >>> This is the last commit diff > >>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-pulsar/pull/2459/commits/0bef7eb7f7687ef5d1574f4fb58ff9a69d8a31fa > >>> > >>> Please take a look, > >>> > >>> thanks, > >>> Matteo > >>> > >>>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:06 AM Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi - > >>>> > >>>> The explanation should be more carefully worded. Contributors do not > self > >>>> nominate themselves. The PMC will notice contributors who have proven > >>>> themselves. A discussion follows on private@ to avoid any > embarrassment. > >>> > >>> Assuming that the VOTE passes if it is for PMC then a NOTICE is given > to > >>>> the IPMC or the Board. This is a 72 hour LAZY ACK in the extremely > rare > >>>> case someone knows something that is bad. You don’t need to explain > these > >>>> details. Once the new Committer and/or PMC has been elected. The PMC > will > >>>> contact them off list to make sure that they accept. This is followed > by an > >>>> announcement on the dev@ list. The whole point here is to avoid > public > >>>> embarrassment which could cause contributors to leave. > >>>> > >>>> For example, the DISCUSSION (on private@) could be like so: > >>>> 1. [DISCUSS] Jane Doe for PMC - she’s done some significant work and > it is > >>>> all high quality. She is good to work with and always helpful with > users on > >>>> the mailing list. > >>>> 2. RE: - She’s great +1 > >>>> 3. RE2: - I’m not sure as she’s only been active for one month. Let’s > wait > >>>> a few months to see if her contributions are sustained. > >>>> … two months, > >>>> 4. [DISCUSS] Jane Doe for PMC/Committer - it’s been two months and > she’s > >>>> still helping with code and users. Is it time. > >>>> 5. RE: yes! > >>>> 6. RE2: yes! > >>>> … 72 hours > >>>> 7. [VOTE] …. > >>>> … 72 hours > >>>> 8. [NOTICE] > >>>> … 72 hours > >>>> 9. Invite Jane > >>>> 10. Jane is surprised and accepts > >>>> 11. Announce on Dev@ and maybe twitter. > >>>> > >>>> So, you can see ways to tweak your language. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> Dave > >>>> > >>>>> On Aug 29, 2018, at 12:16 AM, Matteo Merli <matteo.me...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 5:50 PM Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> This is very detailed and looks good with one important omission. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How does one go on from being a contributor to committer / PMC > status? > >>>>>> There should be a description about that. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Please discuss! > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> That is a very good point. I have added a couple of sections to the > >>>>> "Contributing" page in the PR: > >>>>> * https://github.com/apache/incubator-pulsar/pull/2459 > >>>>> * Preview link: > >>>>> > >>>> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-pulsar/blob/0515a9a12a77ca6ffdc8587125e21a32cdb61291/site2/website/contributing.md > >>>>> > >>>>> Also reporting it here for convenience: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> ## Becoming a committer > >>>>> > >>>>> Committers are community members that have write access to the > project’s > >>>>> repositories, i.e., they can modify the code, documentation, and > website > >>>>> by themselves and also accept other contributions. > >>>>> > >>>>> There is no strict protocol for becoming a committer. Candidates for > new > >>>>> committers are typically people that are active contributors and > >>>>> community members. > >>>>> > >>>>> Being an active community member means participating on mailing list > >>>>> discussions, helping to answer questions, verifying release > candidates, > >>>>> being respectful towards others, and following the meritocratic > >>>>> principles of community management. Since the > >>>>> [Apache Way](https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/) > >>>>> has a strong focus on the project community, this part is very > important. > >>>>> > >>>>> Of course, contributing code and documentation to the project is > >>>>> important as well. A good way to start is contributing improvements, > new > >>>>> features, or bug fixes. You need to show that you take responsibility > >>>>> for the code that you contribute, add tests and documentation, and > help > >>>>> maintaining it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Candidates for new committers are suggested by current committers or > PMC > >>>>> members, and voted upon by the PMC. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you would like to become a committer, you should engage with the > >>>>> community and start contributing to Apache Pulsar in any of the above > >>>>> ways. You might also want to talk to other committers and ask for > their > >>>>> advice and guidance. > >>>>> > >>>>> ## Becoming member of PMC > >>>>> > >>>>> The PMC is the project governance body. Committers or contributors > that > >>>>> have demonstrated continued involvement with the community can be > >>>>> nominated to become members of the PMC. > >>>>> > >>>>> PMC members nominate new contributors to the project as either > >>>>> committers or as new PMC members, and PMC members cast votes on > electing > >>>>> new committers or PMC members to the project. PMC members also have > >>>>> binding votes on any project matters. Refer to > >>>>> [ASF PMCs governance]( > >>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html) > >>>>> for a more detailed explanation of the duties and roles of the PMC. > >>>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> This is better and ties in with my main question above. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Created a separate PR to update the "team" page: > >>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-pulsar/pull/2470 > >>>>> > >>>>> Matteo > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Matteo Merli > >>>>> <mme...@apache.org> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>> Matteo Merli > >>> <mme...@apache.org> > > > -- Matteo Merli <mme...@apache.org>
