Thanks John for the report. Two questions please: 

1. Could you point me to a standards document for Clojure?

2. Could you point me to a criteria that classify Racket as a 'fringe' language 
and Clojure as a non-fringe language? 

-- Matthias




On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:23 AM, John Clements wrote:

> This is just one random guy, but it's interesting to see how Racket is 
> perceived.
> 
> Excerpts from a conversation on stackoverflow about Racket:
>        
> Thanks. And that's why I'm starting to learn to dislike Scheme, despite 
> everything else. – MCXXIII yesterday
> 
> In that case, it's a good thing that Racket isn't Scheme. – John Clements 20 
> hours ago 
> 
> I don't know if I'd like to turn to some "fringe" language. Also seems odd to 
> me to call it a Scheme implementation if it's not meant to be Scheme at all. 
> I really like standards and Scheme seems to suffer greatly in that area. I 
> think I may have to switch to some other form of Lisp. Clojure seems 
> potentially nice at a glance. – MCXXIII 20 hours ago
> 
> Ah! You said the magic word! Clojure is a LISP implementation in a very 
> similar way that Racket is a Scheme implementation. Put differently: if you 
> don't object to Clojure, there's no good reason to object to Racket. – John 
> Clements 13 hours ago 
>       
> Racket comes off as "Scheme, but not really" while Clojure comes off as 
> "Clojure (inspired by Lisp)". At least that's the impression. It's kinda like 
> how Java was inspired by C/C++ yet Java is Java. Also, I could go learn 
> INTERCAL too. It wouldn't be very useful aside from the pure experience, and 
> maybe with INTERCAL that experience would be worth it, but in the case of 
> Racket I might as well get that exact same experience from something more 
> "mainstream". So, if my objective is to learn some form of Lisp, I'd go with 
> one of the three major dialects, not Racket. – MCXXIII 5 hours ago
> 
> Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Obviously, Racket is still working to 
> define itself as a separate entity. – John Clements 0 secs ago
> 
> You can see the original thread here:
> 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5806222/opening-urls-with-scheme/5811345#5811345
> 
> 
> John Clements
> 
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