For the apps we create we use both cases. 

1.  Make something invisible, but not remove it's layout space.  This matches 
Carlos's example, by allowed a static sized interface even when parts are not 
visible.

2.  Make something invisible and remove it's layout space.  Standard items, 
such as hiding interface / buttons / allowing things to collapse. 


    We have used the "includeInLayout" and "visible" properties together to 
replace the states (includeIn and excludeFrom) in some use cases where we 
needed forms with fully created components on loading a popup.  It was the only 
way to get our validation manager to work properly.  For us, Flex states never 
really worked as intended for this scenario even when we tried the 
"creationPolicy='all '".  It introduced quarks for component validation.   But 
that doesn't seem to be a problem yet 

I'm ok with any method of doing these 2 (mean hidden and hidden without 
layout), just as long as we can do both.


-Mark K

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