Hi Carlos, Are you have in mind that Royale is not enough good for 1.0 ? I don't understand full what do you mean here.
wt., 18 lut 2020 o 09:52 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> napisał(a): > Hi Alex, > very good news. Congrats to all of you working on emulation! :). > There's as well other migration efforts based on Jewel and in good > progress, but with issues to manage over time. It could be a good time to > start trying to release, but I'll try to go 0.9.7 and continue improving > until release process could be really easy to do. As well docs continue to > be something we need if we want to have success for 1.0. > > El mar., 18 feb. 2020 a las 8:42, Alex Harui (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>) > escribió: > > > Today, I received permission to disclose that Alina & Pashmina's team has > > 88 of their modules ready for release (tested and validated by their QA > > team). They still have more modules to migrate before they deliver to > > their customer, but it is a good sign that the emulation is sufficient > for > > many needs. > > > > Once I can merge the "has" branch and re-stabilize, I will hope that's > the > > last big change we need for a while. I have heard that there are other > > migration efforts underway using migration and I'm sure they will keep > > finding bugs, but I'm feeling better about the emulation code. > > > > -Alex > > > > On 12/18/19, 9:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote: > > > > Every day, I hope to hear news that Alina & Pashmina or Serkan or > > somebody else has deployed a production app using the MXRoyale and/or > Spark > > Royale emulation components. But instead, I see more bugs being filed > for > > "obvious" things. You can look at the issues list of open and fixed > issues > > and the commits that fixed them to get a feel for it. Each of us has > their > > own threshold of how good a 1.0 version should be, so if more of you can > > look at these bugs and think it is ok for a 1.0 to have these problems, > > then great, let's release the next version as 1.0, but when I try to > > remember what Flex 1.0 was like, I think it didn't have these kinds of > > problems. > > > > As Carlos said below, we get one chance to make a good first > > impression, so I am being conservative. But it isn't my decision alone. > > It is really up to the rest of you. > > > > -Alex > > > > On 12/18/19, 6:41 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > Hi Piotr, > > > > I'm afraid my perception is that we need to get to 1.0 in a > > natural way. I > > mean: releasing 1.0 and giving exposure in all ways we can (webs, > > social > > media, magazines,...), means people will try us. If they try and > > fail, will > > never come back. So think about this as "only on bullet in your > > gun", if > > you fail de shot, that will be bad for all the work we are done. > > I'm ok to > > release 1.0 as soon as we see from "bird eye perspective" that > all > > things > > work as we expect. > > > > For me that things are: > > > > * Documentation will need to have at least some missing pages of > > features > > like: DataBindnig, Loading External Data (HTTPSerice, > > RemoteObject, JSON), > > View States, Item Renderers. Things like this are essential. > > * Emulation components need to be in a shape that allow > migrations > > in a > > good degree. I think people approaching direct migration with > > emulation > > components will many issues. I don't take into account look and > > feel of > > emulation components, just functionality and working from a flex > > code > > perspective, and just normal use cases with MX/Spark code, not > > third party > > libraries that we have no control over. Simple apps like TDF, and > > examples > > should work. > > > > If we decided we want to bypass the previous, at least we need to > > ensure > > "first try" of Royale for a newcomer (someone that knows very few > > about the > > tech) is successful. This is most important things of all. The > > other two > > are needed if we want people does not get frustrated and have > > solutions on > > their own and stay with us. The opposite is people can have a > > first try > > successful but abandon Royale due to unfinished things. > > > > I think 0.9.7-SNAPSHOT captures in a realistic number where we > are. > > Technology works, and most people using it now can do lots of > > things, but > > we still need to cover some things to reach that 1.0. We are not > > too far > > but I think is still some month in the future. > > > > just my 2 :) > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > El mié., 18 dic. 2019 a las 10:30, Piotr Zarzycki (< > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) escribió: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > This thread is old and this was the last message from me. What > > has changed > > > on your end guys ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Piotr > > > > > > wt., 30 kwi 2019 o 10:07 Piotr Zarzycki < > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > > > napisał(a): > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > Thank you so far for a great discussion. I see that there is > > an obvious > > > > needs to improve documentation the most. > > > > > > > > I would like to express my personal feelings regarding > > releasing anything > > > > what is not 1.0 after 0.9.6. Based on my experience with this > > project I > > > > don't believe that releasing 0.9.7, 0.9.8 till 1.0 etc. will > > take less > > > than > > > > 6-8 months form now on. Even if we will have automatic > release > > process I > > > > cannot believe that is going to happen in a less time than I > > mention. > > > > > > > > Why I'm thinking like that: > > > > - Justin just provided to the contributors generous offer - > > it's been > > > > couple of days and there is absolutely no response. > > > > - I've seen as part of the responses some concrete issues > > towards code in > > > > SDK. I don't believe that there will be anyone who fix them > > UNLESS > > > someone > > > > need that stuff in his application which has been under > > development in > > > his > > > > daily job. Which leads me to conclusion that we will wait > > months before > > > > anything from that list will be fixed. > > > > > > > > How Royale is going on right now? > > > > In my original email I expressed that it is enough good to > > bump it to 1.0 > > > > - which gets us more credibility and push us to a better > > light. I got > > > clear > > > > responses from community that the only thing which is in the > > way of to > > > 1.0 > > > > is documentation. > > > > > > > > W have one production app in Royale, another one has been > > created by > > > > Carlos. I'm working on the third one. Justin mention fourth > > one which I'm > > > > reviewing right now because it is written in Flex - it looks > > there won't > > > be > > > > problem with porting to Royale. To me it is enough proof that > > Royale is > > > as > > > > good as is to expose itself for more wider audience. Because > > this is > > > > exactly what will happen when we bump to that magic 1.0. > > > > People on this project are talking about community, my > > proposition to > > > bump > > > > Royale to 1.0 is towards community with hope that it helps > > grow thanks to > > > > that step. With hope that finally I will see on the list more > > people, > > > with > > > > hope that I will see someone who doesn't have background in > > ActionScript, > > > > but was curious about the project. > > > > > > > > In this thread I don't see rejection to my idea, so I'm going > > to work to > > > > improve some areas and start release with bumped version to > > 1.0, whether > > > it > > > > will be after 0.9.7, 0.9.8 it doesn't matter - What's really > > matter is > > > that > > > > we are not facing in current version any walls during > > development, so > > > this > > > > is enough to me giving that framework 1.0. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Piotr > > > > > > > > pon., 29 kwi 2019 o 19:44 Carlos Rovira < > > carlosrov...@apache.org> > > > > napisał(a): > > > > > > > >> Hi Justin, > > > >> > > > >> great initiative, but some thoughts: > > > >> > > > >> 1.- As Olaf said, Alex or I are just two more devs, so we > can > > say what > > > >> should we do. That's the apache way! :), only work towards > > the goal and > > > >> giving advice to make things happen. We decisions are > > community managed > > > >> > > > >> 2.- I think is very generous offer so people can contribute > > and earn > > > some > > > >> money and a great plan, > > > >> > > > >> Some things you should take into account for the rewarding > > plan: > > > >> > > > >> * We just get results of the poll about releasing published > > few minutes > > > >> ago. Seems people wants to focus docs first and release > > second (from 61 > > > >> votes). > > > >> * In the other hand, I see Alex is still fighting with the > > release > > > >> process. > > > >> He stated that probably this week he will have the process > > ready to be > > > >> tested by someone. > > > >> If he get to that point that will be awesome, and hope > others > > could be > > > the > > > >> first one in try to "push the button". If that works ok, > > we'll have a > > > >> 0.9.6 > > > >> release (I think the one by Alex), and then a 0.9.7 (by that > > new release > > > >> manager). At that point, I figure we can plan 0.9.8, 0.9.9 > > and Finlay > > > 1.0. > > > >> For me release should happen at least from month to month. > > have sense? > > > >> > > > >> Just my my thoughts, but hope other want to share here what > > they can do > > > >> and > > > >> work to earn some money too! :) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > Carlos Rovira > > > >> > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C223073f5986349c505e808d783dc894d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637122855535324332&sdata=ASZFiHNLaimVkZYNcna1%2BgC99mX%2F%2Bs9lFcSQR43jh3A%3D&reserved=0 > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Piotr Zarzycki > > > > > > > > Patreon: * > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C223073f5986349c505e808d783dc894d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637122855535324332&sdata=g59S9iIx3J1aUO0NSJn6VaY%2Frn1KqfENiYYrz3kAzDI%3D&reserved=0 > > > > < > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C223073f5986349c505e808d783dc894d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637122855535324332&sdata=g59S9iIx3J1aUO0NSJn6VaY%2Frn1KqfENiYYrz3kAzDI%3D&reserved=0 > > >* > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Piotr Zarzycki > > > > > > Patreon: * > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C223073f5986349c505e808d783dc894d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637122855535324332&sdata=g59S9iIx3J1aUO0NSJn6VaY%2Frn1KqfENiYYrz3kAzDI%3D&reserved=0 > > > < > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C223073f5986349c505e808d783dc894d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637122855535324332&sdata=g59S9iIx3J1aUO0NSJn6VaY%2Frn1KqfENiYYrz3kAzDI%3D&reserved=0 > > >* > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carlos Rovira > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C223073f5986349c505e808d783dc894d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637122855535324332&sdata=ASZFiHNLaimVkZYNcna1%2BgC99mX%2F%2Bs9lFcSQR43jh3A%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Carlos Rovira > http://about.me/carlosrovira > -- Piotr Zarzycki Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
