Today, I received permission to disclose that Alina & Pashmina's team has 88 of
their modules ready for release (tested and validated by their QA team). They
still have more modules to migrate before they deliver to their customer, but it is
a good sign that the emulation is sufficient for many needs.
Once I can merge the "has" branch and re-stabilize, I will hope that's the last
big change we need for a while. I have heard that there are other migration efforts
underway using migration and I'm sure they will keep finding bugs, but I'm feeling better
about the emulation code.
-Alex
On 12/18/19, 9:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
Every day, I hope to hear news that Alina & Pashmina or Serkan or somebody else has
deployed a production app using the MXRoyale and/or Spark Royale emulation components. But
instead, I see more bugs being filed for "obvious" things. You can look at the
issues list of open and fixed issues and the commits that fixed them to get a feel for it.
Each of us has their own threshold of how good a 1.0 version should be, so if more of you can
look at these bugs and think it is ok for a 1.0 to have these problems, then great, let's
release the next version as 1.0, but when I try to remember what Flex 1.0 was like, I think
it didn't have these kinds of problems.
As Carlos said below, we get one chance to make a good first impression, so I am being conservative. But it isn't my decision alone. It is really up to the rest of you.
-Alex
On 12/18/19, 6:41 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote:
Hi Piotr,
I'm afraid my perception is that we need to get to 1.0 in a natural way. I
mean: releasing 1.0 and giving exposure in all ways we can (webs,
social
media, magazines,...), means people will try us. If they try and fail,
will
never come back. So think about this as "only on bullet in your gun",
if
you fail de shot, that will be bad for all the work we are done. I'm
ok to
release 1.0 as soon as we see from "bird eye perspective" that all
things
work as we expect.
For me that things are:
* Documentation will need to have at least some missing pages of features
like: DataBindnig, Loading External Data (HTTPSerice, RemoteObject,
JSON),
View States, Item Renderers. Things like this are essential.
* Emulation components need to be in a shape that allow migrations in a
good degree. I think people approaching direct migration with emulation
components will many issues. I don't take into account look and feel of
emulation components, just functionality and working from a flex code
perspective, and just normal use cases with MX/Spark code, not third
party
libraries that we have no control over. Simple apps like TDF, and
examples
should work.
If we decided we want to bypass the previous, at least we need to ensure
"first try" of Royale for a newcomer (someone that knows very few
about the
tech) is successful. This is most important things of all. The other
two
are needed if we want people does not get frustrated and have
solutions on
their own and stay with us. The opposite is people can have a first try
successful but abandon Royale due to unfinished things.
I think 0.9.7-SNAPSHOT captures in a realistic number where we are.
Technology works, and most people using it now can do lots of things,
but
we still need to cover some things to reach that 1.0. We are not too
far
but I think is still some month in the future.
just my 2 :)
Carlos
El mié., 18 dic. 2019 a las 10:30, Piotr Zarzycki (<
piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) escribió:
> Hello,
>
> This thread is old and this was the last message from me. What has
changed
> on your end guys ?
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
> wt., 30 kwi 2019 o 10:07 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> napisał(a):
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Thank you so far for a great discussion. I see that there is an
obvious
> > needs to improve documentation the most.
> >
> > I would like to express my personal feelings regarding releasing
anything
> > what is not 1.0 after 0.9.6. Based on my experience with this
project I
> > don't believe that releasing 0.9.7, 0.9.8 till 1.0 etc. will take
less
> than
> > 6-8 months form now on. Even if we will have automatic release
process I
> > cannot believe that is going to happen in a less time than I
mention.
> >
> > Why I'm thinking like that:
> > - Justin just provided to the contributors generous offer - it's
been
> > couple of days and there is absolutely no response.
> > - I've seen as part of the responses some concrete issues towards
code in
> > SDK. I don't believe that there will be anyone who fix them UNLESS
> someone
> > need that stuff in his application which has been under
development in
> his
> > daily job. Which leads me to conclusion that we will wait months
before
> > anything from that list will be fixed.
> >
> > How Royale is going on right now?
> > In my original email I expressed that it is enough good to bump it
to 1.0
> > - which gets us more credibility and push us to a better light. I
got
> clear
> > responses from community that the only thing which is in the way
of to
> 1.0
> > is documentation.
> >
> > W have one production app in Royale, another one has been created
by
> > Carlos. I'm working on the third one. Justin mention fourth one
which I'm
> > reviewing right now because it is written in Flex - it looks there
won't
> be
> > problem with porting to Royale. To me it is enough proof that
Royale is
> as
> > good as is to expose itself for more wider audience. Because this
is
> > exactly what will happen when we bump to that magic 1.0.
> > People on this project are talking about community, my proposition
to
> bump
> > Royale to 1.0 is towards community with hope that it helps grow
thanks to
> > that step. With hope that finally I will see on the list more
people,
> with
> > hope that I will see someone who doesn't have background in
ActionScript,
> > but was curious about the project.
> >
> > In this thread I don't see rejection to my idea, so I'm going to
work to
> > improve some areas and start release with bumped version to 1.0,
whether
> it
> > will be after 0.9.7, 0.9.8 it doesn't matter - What's really
matter is
> that
> > we are not facing in current version any walls during development,
so
> this
> > is enough to me giving that framework 1.0.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> > pon., 29 kwi 2019 o 19:44 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>
> > napisał(a):
> >
> >> Hi Justin,
> >>
> >> great initiative, but some thoughts:
> >>
> >> 1.- As Olaf said, Alex or I are just two more devs, so we can say
what
> >> should we do. That's the apache way! :), only work towards the
goal and
> >> giving advice to make things happen. We decisions are community
managed
> >>
> >> 2.- I think is very generous offer so people can contribute and
earn
> some
> >> money and a great plan,
> >>
> >> Some things you should take into account for the rewarding plan:
> >>
> >> * We just get results of the poll about releasing published few
minutes
> >> ago. Seems people wants to focus docs first and release second
(from 61
> >> votes).
> >> * In the other hand, I see Alex is still fighting with the release
> >> process.
> >> He stated that probably this week he will have the process ready
to be
> >> tested by someone.
> >> If he get to that point that will be awesome, and hope others
could be
> the
> >> first one in try to "push the button". If that works ok, we'll
have a
> >> 0.9.6
> >> release (I think the one by Alex), and then a 0.9.7 (by that new
release
> >> manager). At that point, I figure we can plan 0.9.8, 0.9.9 and
Finlay
> 1.0.
> >> For me release should happen at least from month to month. have
sense?
> >>
> >> Just my my thoughts, but hope other want to share here what they
can do
> >> and
> >> work to earn some money too! :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Carlos Rovira
> >> >
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