Closing the loop here: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-15949 for
Java 17 via the Eclipse Temurin distribution.  I'll merge this weekend.

~ David Smiley
Apache Lucene/Solr Search Developer
http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwsmiley


On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 3:01 AM Mark Miller <[email protected]> wrote:

> That is generally an expected trade off when using the new collectors -
> perhaps a 15% hit to throughput due to locking in concurrent compaction but
> better latency with the shorter pauses.
>
> The last I saw, for smaller heaps, G1 generally wins      - better
> throughput and latency that’s just as good.
>
> For larger heaps, if memory is not a constraint, the new collectors win.
>
> If memory is a constraint, you pay for the better latency with throughput
> with the new collectors.
>
> G1 remains a good default generally.
>
>
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> On January 8, 2022 at 2:33 GMT, Shawn Heisey <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> On 1/6/2022 2:03 PM, David Smiley wrote:
> > The new Shenandoah GC looks exciting but may not be sufficiently ready
> > for us to recommend (if I recall from a recent user who reported a
> > problem with it) -- and that's okay.
>
> I've done some experiments with Shenandoah and ZGC. My index is tiny,
> 155297 docs and a total index size of 644.22MB. I'm running it with a
> max heap of 512MB.
>
> When I uploaded the GC logs to gceasy, the newer collectors showed much
> smaller pauses than G1, and more collections. I think the overall pause
> time is significantly smaller, but throughput took a hit. It was a
> larger impact than I imagined. Last time I tested it, a full rebuild of
> the index took about 8 minutes with G1, and over 9 minutes with the
> newer collectors. That index is built and used by my dovecot install.
> There's pretty much no query activity on my system, so I used the full
> index rebuild to exercise it.
>
> I had a remote co-conspirator on this testing. On that user's index,
> their reindex procedure failed to complete at all with the newer
> collectors, but it did work with G1. I did not get any details about
> how it failed, but I know that their testing and mine were done with
> OpenJDK 11.
>
> I was going to do some additional testing with OpenJDK 17.0.1, but I
> found that when I tried to start Solr with Shenandoah, it has the
> following in the console log:
>
> Error occurred during initialization of VM
> Option -XX:+UseShenandoahGC not supported
>
> This is very weird, because I saw an article about sub-millisecond
> pauses using OpenJDK 17 and Shenandoah. Unless Oracle has decided to
> pull Shenandoah completely in-house and not make it available in OpenJDK
> any more.
>
> Thanks,
> Shawn
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