Hey Andy - these Nabble groups look great! Thanks for setting them up.
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Evan Chan <e...@ooyala.com> wrote: > Thanks Andy, at first glance nabble seems great, it allows search plus > posting new topics, so it appears to be bidirectional. Now just have to > register an account on there. > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Andy Konwinski > <andykonwin...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Per Matei's suggestion, I've set up two nabble archive lists, one to >> archive the apache dev list and one to archive the apache user list. >> >> user list archive: http://apache-spark-user-list.1001560.n3.nabble.com >> dev list archive: >> http://apache-spark-developers-list.1001551.n3.nabble.com >> >> Between these and whatever solution we end up with for the google group >> mirrors, we should have decent enough alternatives to reading via the >> apache list archives going forward. >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Matei Zaharia <matei.zaha...@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> >> > Yes, I agree that we should close down the existing Google group on Jan >> > 1st. While it’s more convenient to use, it’s created confusion. I hope >> that >> > we can get the ASF to support better search interfaces in the future >> too. I >> > think we just have to drive this from within. >> > >> > The Google Group should be a nice way to make the content searchable >> from >> > the web. We should also see what it takes to make it mirrored on Nabble >> ( >> > http://www.nabble.com). I’ve found a lot of information about other >> > projects there, and other Apache projects do use it. >> > >> > Matei >> > >> > On Dec 19, 2013, at 10:49 PM, Andy Konwinski <andykonwin...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > I've set up two new unofficial google groups to mirror the Apache Spark >> > user and dev lists: >> > >> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/apache-spark-dev-mirror >> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/apache-spark-user-mirror >> > >> > Basically these lists each subscribe to the corresponding Apache list. >> > >> > They do not allow folks to subscribe directly to them. Getting emails >> from >> > the Google Group would offer no advantages that I can think of and we >> > really want to encourage folks to sign up for the official mailing list >> > instead. >> > >> > The lists do allow the public to send email to them, which I think might >> > be necessary since the "from:" field for all emails that get distributed >> > via the Apache mailing list is set to the author of the email. >> > >> > I think this might be a great compromise. At least we can try this out >> and >> > see how it goes. >> > >> > Matei, can you confirm that Jan 1 is the date we want to turn off the >> > existing spark-users google group? >> > >> > We could consider using the existing spark-developers and spark-users >> > google groups instead of the two new ones I just created but I think >> that >> > it is much more obvious to have the lists include the word mirror in >> their >> > names. >> > >> > The dev list mirror seems to be working, because I see the last couple >> > emails from this thread in it already. I'll confirm and ensure that the >> > user list mirror is working too. >> > >> > Thoughts? >> > >> > Andy >> > >> > P.S. Thanks to Patrick for suggesting this to me originally. >> > >> > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Aaron Davidson <ilike...@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> > >> >> I'd be fine with one-way mirrors here (Apache threads being reflected >> in >> >> Google groups) -- I have no idea how one is supposed to navigate the >> Apache >> >> list to look for historic threads. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Mike Potts <maspo...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Thanks very much for the prompt and comprehensive reply! I appreciate >> >>> the overarching desire to integrate with apache: I'm very happy to >> hear >> >>> that there's a move to use the existing groups as mirrors: that will >> >>> overcome all of my objections: particularly if it's bidirectional! :) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:19:06 PM UTC-8, Andy Konwinski wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hey Mike, >> >>>> >> >>>> As you probably noticed when you CC'd spark-de...@googlegroups.com, >> >>>> that list has already be reconfigured so that it no longer allows >> posting >> >>>> (and bounces emails sent to it). >> >>>> >> >>>> We will be doing the same thing to the spark...@googlegroups.comlist >> >>>> too (we'll announce a date for that soon). >> >>>> >> >>>> That may sound very frustrating, and you are *not* alone feeling that >> >>>> way. We've had a long conversation with our mentors about this, and >> I've >> >>>> felt very similar to you, so I'd like to give you background. >> >>>> >> >>>> As I'm coming to see it, part of becoming an Apache project is moving >> >>>> the community *fully* over to Apache infrastructure, and more >> generally the >> >>>> Apache way of organizing the community. >> >>>> >> >>>> This applies in both the nuts-and-bolts sense of being on apache >> infra, >> >>>> but possibly more importantly, it is also a guiding principle and >> way of >> >>>> thinking. >> >>>> >> >>>> In various ways, moving to apache Infra can be a painful process, and >> >>>> IMO the loss of all the great mailing list functionality that comes >> with >> >>>> using Google Groups is perhaps the most painful step. But basically, >> the de >> >>>> facto mailing lists need to be the Apache ones, and not Google >> Groups. The >> >>>> underlying reason is that Apache needs to take full accountability >> for >> >>>> recording and publishing the mailing lists, it has to be able to >> >>>> institutionally guarantee this. This is because discussion on >> mailing lists >> >>>> is one of the core things that defines an Apache community. So at a >> minimum >> >>>> this means Apache owning the master copy of the bits. >> >>>> >> >>>> All that said, we are discussing the possibility of having a google >> >>>> group that subscribes to each list that would provide an easier to >> use and >> >>>> prettier archive for each list (so far we haven't gotten that to >> work). >> >>>> >> >>>> I hope this was helpful. It has taken me a few years now, and a lot >> of >> >>>> conversations with experienced (and patient!) Apache mentors, to >> >>>> internalize some of the nuance about "the Apache way". That's why I >> wanted >> >>>> to share. >> >>>> >> >>>> Andy >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Mike Potts <masp...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> I notice that there are still a lot of active topics in this group: >> >>>>> and also activity on the apache mailing list (which is a really >> horrible >> >>>>> experience!). Is it a firm policy on apache's front to disallow >> external >> >>>>> groups? I'm going to be ramping up on spark, and I really hate the >> idea of >> >>>>> having to rely on the apache archives and my mail client. Also: >> having to >> >>>>> search for topics/keywords both in old threads (here) as well as new >> >>>>> threads in apache's (clunky) archive, is going to be a pain! I >> almost feel >> >>>>> like I must be missing something because the current solution seems >> >>>>> unfeasibly awkward! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>>> Groups "Spark Users" group. >> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send >> >>>>> an email to spark-users...@googlegroups.com. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "Spark Users" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an >> > email to spark-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "Spark Users" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an >> > email to spark-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > >> > > > > -- > -- > Evan Chan > Staff Engineer > e...@ooyala.com | > > <http://www.ooyala.com/> > <http://www.facebook.com/ooyala><http://www.linkedin.com/company/ooyala><http://www.twitter.com/ooyala> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Spark Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to spark-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >
