Hi Paul,
AFAIU with the existing message design and with your points with the
Pub/Sub ,+1 for improve our Startos messaging model as far as we can as it
will improve the performance as well as standards.As far as I understood
the current messaging model , we can thinking about following two
suggestions.
*Suggestion 1 - *
We can used separate topic for the every event type.But AFAIN there are
around 30 events(same schema or shape) around in the current scenario and I
supposed it is growing as well.Please correct me if I am wrong here.So we
have to maintain separate topics for the each events and then easily we can
distinguished the messages based on the topic.
*Suggestion 2 -*
With the current implementation we used the "event-class-name" value to
distinguished the messages.IMO also We don't need to distinguished the
messages based on the header and we can easily include that in the message
body.But still I guess there will be a overhead is that every time we need
to deserialize the JSON message and see what is the message class name
is.WDYT?
Please share your thoughts on this and also it is really appreciate if you
can recommend any other suggestion in your mind to improve the current
messaging model.
Thanks,
Gayan
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Paul Fremantle <p...@wso2.com> wrote:
> Gayan
>
> I don't understand this. I think this is a mistake on how to use Pub/Sub.
>
> The headers timestamp and expiry should probably be in the message (not
> sure)
> The destination is part of the pub/sub network
> The event-class should be implicitly based on the topic. In other words in
> a pub/sub network, every message in a specific topic should have the same
> schema or shape. You shouldn't need some extra header to know which schema
> it is.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 2 September 2014 09:44, Gayan Gunarathne <gay...@wso2.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> Please find the example of existing message header and body.AFAIK
>> "event-class-name" is the header value used for distinguish the messages.
>>
>> header: key expires , value 0
>> header: key timestamp , value 1409646637558
>> header: key destination , value /topic/topology
>> header: key persistent , value true
>> header: key priority , value 4
>> header: key event-class-name , value
>> org.apache.stratos.messaging.event.topology.CompleteTopologyEvent
>>
>> Message body:
>>
>>
>> {"topology":{"serviceMap":{"gateway":{"serviceName":"gateway","serviceType":"SingleTenant","clusterIdClusterMap":{"gatewaygateway.am.wso2.com.dom":{"serviceName":"gateway","clusterId":"gatewaygateway.am.wso2.com.dom","autoscalePolicyName":"auto-scl-pol1","deploymentPolicyName":"
>> dep-pol1","hostNames":["foo.org"],"tenantRange":"1-*","isLbCluster":false,"memberMap":{"gatewaygateway.am.wso2.com.dom-member-2":{"serviceName":"gateway","clusterId":"gatewaygateway.am.wso2.com.dom","networkPartitionId":"network-partition1","partitionId":"cloud-partition1","memberId":"gatewaygateway.am.wso2.com.dom-member-2","portMap":{"9080":{"protocol":"http","value":8080,"proxy":9080}},"memberPublicIp":"127.0.0.1
>> public","status":"Activated","memberIp":"127.0.0.1
>> private","properties":{"mykey1xxxxxxxxx":"myvalweccccccccccccccc"}},"gatewaygateway.am.wso2.com.dom-member-1":{"serviceName":"gateway","clusterId":"gatewaygateway.am.wso2.com.dom","networkPartitionId":"network-partition1","partitionId":"cloud-partition1","memberId":"gatewaygateway.am.wso2.com.dom-member-1","portMap":{"9080":{"protocol":"http","value":8080,"proxy":9080}},"memberPublicIp":"127.0.0.1
>> public","status":"Activated","memberIp":"127.0.0.1
>> private","properties":{"mykey1xxxxxxxxx":"myvalweccccccccccccccc"}},"gatewaygateway.am.wso2.com.dom5863cf8d-2746-4be1-91e9-da98c2bcb5a9":{"serviceName":"gateway","clusterId":"gatewaygateway.am.wso2.com.dom","networkPartitionId":"network-partition1","partitionId":"cloud-partition1","memberId":"gatewaygateway.am.wso2.com.dom5863cf8d-2746-4be1-91e9-da98c2bcb5a9","portMap":{},"memberPublicIp":"public
>> IP","memberIp":"private
>> IP"},"lb-member-id-1":{"serviceName":"lb","clusterId":"lbisuruh.lk.domain","networkPartitionId":"network-partition1","partitionId":"cloud-partition1","memberId":"lb-member-id-1","portMap":{},"memberPublicIp":"public
>> IP of apistore","memberIp":"private IP of
>> apistore"}},"properties":{"mykey1weeee":"myvalweeeeeeeee1","mykey1tttttttt":"myvalweetttttttttttt1"}}},"portMap":{"9080":{"protocol":"http","value":8080,"proxy":9080}},"properties":{"mykey1weeee":"myvalweeeeeeeee1","mykey1tttttttt":"myvalweetttttttttttt1"}},"apistore":{"serviceName":"apistore","serviceType":"SingleTenant","clusterIdClusterMap":{"apistorestore.am.wso2.com.doma":{"serviceName":"apistore","clusterId":"apistorestore.am.wso2.com.doma","autoscalePolicyName":"auto-scl-pol1","deploymentPolicyName":"
>> dep-pol1","hostNames":["foo.org"],"tenantRange":"1-*","isLbCluster":false,"memberMap":{"apistorestore.am.wso2.com.doma298e2959-a3b4-45a0-a11f-7671606158ed":{"serviceName":"apistore","clusterId":"apistorestore.am.wso2.com.doma","networkPartitionId":"network-partition1","partitionId":"cloud-partition1","memberId":"apistorestore.am.wso2.com.doma298e2959-a3b4-45a0-a11f-7671606158ed","portMap":{},"memberPublicIp":"pub
>> ip","status":"Activated","memberIp":"ip","lbClusterId":"lbmongolb594224131.mongolb.dom"}}}},"portMap":{"9080":{"protocol":"http","value":8080,"proxy":9080}}},"lb":{"serviceName":"lb","serviceType":"SingleTenant","clusterIdClusterMap":{"lbisuruh.lk.domain":{"serviceName":"lb","clusterId":"lbisuruh.lk.domain","autoscalePolicyName":"auto-scl-pol1","deploymentPolicyName":"
>> dep-pol1","hostNames":["foo.org
>> "],"tenantRange":"1-*","isLbCluster":false,"memberMap":{}}},"portMap":{"9080":{"protocol":"http","value":8080,"proxy":9080}}}},"initialized":false}}
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Gayan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Paul Fremantle <p...@wso2.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you post an example of the headers and body?
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 September 2014 09:17, Gayan Gunarathne <gay...@wso2.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Currently we have existing java based message publisher with the
>>>> headers. Here we try to use those published messages with the python
>>>> client. If we use JSON structured message with headers enclosed we have to
>>>> change all other current implementations as well. AFAIK We will
>>>> distinguished the messages with their header value.So my point is if we
>>>> used this sort of JSON structure for messages, we need to change all the
>>>> current messaging model.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH with the Stomp protocol with python client we were able to get
>>>> those header values and used those messages as it is.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Gayan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Paul Fremantle <p...@wso2.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What headers do you need to pass?
>>>>>
>>>>> The way of doing headers with MQTT is to use a structured message
>>>>> (e.g. JSON) and put some headers into the JSON.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 September 2014 07:58, Gayan Gunarathne <gay...@wso2.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We did some analysis regarding the MQTT protocol as well.Following
>>>>>> are our findings regarding the MQTT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MQTT is low bandwidth consumption messaging protocol which
>>>>>> supports pub/sub protocol with the following limitations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - It has fixed header (2 bytes) . Specifications mentioning that
>>>>>> it can be extended.But AFAIU clients[1] didn't support for this header
>>>>>> extension. We have checked the MQTT with the messages published with
>>>>>> headers and we didn't receive the header on those.Only receive the
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> body.
>>>>>> - The payload size for a MQTT message is 256MB.I guess design
>>>>>> point for MQTT usage is targeted at more constrained devices.[3].
>>>>>> MQTT is
>>>>>> better at a high volume of low size messages.
>>>>>> - It is supports only topic.This will not be a issue currently in
>>>>>> our scenario as we used only topic currently AFAIK.[4]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess it build with above limitations and it is very good choice
>>>>>> for the mobile and small application as it is very lightweight and
>>>>>> low power.[5] WDYT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please share your thoughts on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://pypi.python.org/pypi/paho-mqtt
>>>>>> [2[ https://github.com/iwanbk/nyamuk
>>>>>> [3] http://stephendnicholas.com/archives/1217
>>>>>> [4]
>>>>>> http://www.mqtechconference.com/sessions_v2013/MQTC_v2013_MQTT.pdf
>>>>>> [5]
>>>>>> http://blogs.vmware.com/vfabric/2013/02/choosing-your-messaging-protocol-amqp-mqtt-or-stomp.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Gayan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Gayan Gunarathne <gay...@wso2.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Paul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will check on this paho-mgtt python library as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Gayan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Paul Fremantle <p...@wso2.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Python has excellent pure python MQTT support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > pip install paho-mqtt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/paho-mqtt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 September 2014 11:40, Gayan Gunarathne <gay...@wso2.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here we try to connect the our existing Apache ActiveMQ with the
>>>>>>>>> pure python.(We try to replace our java cartridge agent with the
>>>>>>>>> python as after that we can remove the java dependency from the
>>>>>>>>> cartridge
>>>>>>>>> itself).
>>>>>>>>> In the initial research we didn't notice such a pure python
>>>>>>>>> libraries with the MQTT which can connect with the ActiveMQ. Also
>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>> initial reading I guess they are recommend it for the mobile
>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>> as its low bandwidth consumption.Also I am noticed lot of web socket
>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>> applications are developed through MQTT.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Gayan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Paul Fremantle <p...@wso2.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have you looked at mqtt?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Sep 2014 12:10, "Gayan Gunarathne" <gay...@wso2.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As per our initial research on the python based messaging
>>>>>>>>>>> implementation of python cartridge agent and discussion[1] we can
>>>>>>>>>>> summarize
>>>>>>>>>>> our findings as following.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *1.AMQP*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache ActiveMQ used the AMQP 1.0 protocol. We found C based
>>>>>>>>>>> client library (proton) [2] which can be used with python.
>>>>>>>>>>> But it is a platform dependent library and every time we need to
>>>>>>>>>>> install the libraries based on the architecture and OS version.IMO
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> will be difficult us to manage as we need to install the libraries
>>>>>>>>>>> based on
>>>>>>>>>>> the platform.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Other python libraries(txAMQP ,pika etc) supports AMQP 0.9
>>>>>>>>>>> which fails to connect with the ActiveMQ.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *2.STOMP*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We can connect to the ActiveMQ with the STOMP protocol by using
>>>>>>>>>>> the STOMP python client library[3].IMO we can used STOMP with
>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ
>>>>>>>>>>> without worry about the platform based library installation.By
>>>>>>>>>>> considering
>>>>>>>>>>> our scope of the cartridge agent I think it is better to have a
>>>>>>>>>>> platform
>>>>>>>>>>> independence cartridge as far as we can. Then, IMO STOMP based
>>>>>>>>>>> messaging
>>>>>>>>>>> queue implementation will be more manageable when we increase our
>>>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>>>>> of platform supported.
>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When comparing the performance of theses two protocols it looks
>>>>>>>>>>> like there are no such huge difference[4].I guess the performance
>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>> tightly coupled with the message broker you are using as well.OTOH
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ recommended way also to used the STOMP with the python[5].
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please share your thoughts on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [1] Stratos Python Cartridge Agent
>>>>>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/qpid-proton
>>>>>>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/jasonrbriggs/stomp.py
>>>>>>>>>>> [4]
>>>>>>>>>>> http://blogs.vmware.com/vfabric/2013/02/choosing-your-messaging-protocol-amqp-mqtt-or-stomp.html
>>>>>>>>>>> [5] http://activemq.apache.org/python.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Gayan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gayan Gunarathne
>>>>>>>>>>> Technical Lead
>>>>>>>>>>> WSO2 Inc. (http://wso2.com)
>>>>>>>>>>> email : gay...@wso2.com | mobile : +94 766819985
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gayan Gunarathne
>>>>>>>>> Technical Lead
>>>>>>>>> WSO2 Inc. (http://wso2.com)
>>>>>>>>> email : gay...@wso2.com | mobile : +94 766819985
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair, Apache Member
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