Noah totally +1 for diversity. However, are people allowed to switch employment? Is it wrong for WSO2 (for example) to hire someone else?
*That's* the point of Roy's mail. Clearly your views are a bit different .. to me the MOST important thing is that we make decisions and execute in a purely open, Apache Way way. So far its very clear this poddling has done that and I believe all mentors but you believe that. I don't think you disagree but I didn't want to attempt to state your position. So, this group has done what it needs to do. The job NEVER finishes of course - every email, every discussion, every event will either further or damage the environment. That's what we need to be constantly vigilant about and get right. Some of your suggestions ref board reports are awesome. Thank you. Sanjiva. On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > I am happy with the edit and have signed off. Thanks. > > Ant, saw that last month, yeah. From my perspective (and for the > others on this list) diversity is one of the ways the foundation > hedges its bets. It insulates us from people, and indeed > organisations, losing interest in a project, or doing something weird. > > I wouldn't argue that diversity ought to be a requirement for > graduation. But if a podling is having a hard time diversifying the > PMC, that's a potential red flag. Why is it having such a hard time? > Are people working on it? > > In the case of Stratos, the answers to that last question is yes. :) > > On 8 April 2014 14:50, ant elder <[email protected]> wrote: > > One of the reasons diversity may not be seen as the most important issue > now > > could be from the discussion around the email from Roy saying that there > is > > no diversity requirement, eg - > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-stratos-dev/201403.mbox/%3CCADENRmrH76dT%2BM02d3HKeuBiMeD%2BOsQvsHBSBhX%3DDZe8E2V%2BCg%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > > > ...ant > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I would mention that the diversity question has come up. It was > >> flagged in November, and it was flagged last month. > >> > >> It was mentioned as the top most important issue to address in > >> January. This month it is not even listed. (In fact, number 2 is > >> completely empty. Error?) > >> > >> "Community diversity was a concern during the last report, and it has > >> been addressed by bringing in a number of non-WSO2 committers & PPMC > >> members." > >> > >> This is misleading IMO. It is *being* addressed, but it hasn't been > >> addressed. > >> > >> There was a lengthy discussion about it, and my take-away was that > >> other mentors think the project is on track to solve these issues. > >> > >> But I feel like the discussion, and indeed status of this as a WIP, > >> should be reflected in the report. > >> > >> On 8 April 2014 14:08, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Noah Slater <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Can we expand the section on diversity? I would say something like: > >> >> the project recognises that diversity is area of concern and is > >> >> actively working to attract new and diverse contributors. > >> > > >> > > >> > I would word it as "The project is actively working towards further > >> > diversification by attracting more non-WSO2 contributors" > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 8 April 2014 12:19, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Devs, > >> >> > > >> >> > I recently asked about the board report, and was told it was being > >> >> > prepared. I didn't hear anything else back about that, nor did I > see > >> >> > anything on the list. > >> >> > > >> >> > I just checked the wiki: > >> >> > > >> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2014 > >> >> > > >> >> > We have a board report filled in there. But I can't find any > mention > >> >> > of it on the lists. Was this circulated? How was this done? > >> >> > > >> >> > In future, reports should be drafted with help from the community, > so > >> >> > that people have a chance to chip in. Also, this helps to alert > your > >> >> > mentors that there is something to review. > >> >> > > >> >> > Apologies if a note was sent out. I searched my email for it and > >> >> > cannot find anything. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks, > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Noah Slater > >> >> > https://twitter.com/nslater > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Noah Slater > >> >> https://twitter.com/nslater > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Afkham Azeez > >> > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com, > >> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ > >> > > >> > email: [email protected] cell: +94 77 3320919 > >> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org > >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez > >> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez > >> > > >> > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Noah Slater > >> https://twitter.com/nslater > > > > > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater > -- Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/ email: [email protected]; office: (+1 650 745 4499 | +94 11 214 5345) x5700; cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 408 466 5099; voip: +1 650 265 8311 blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/; twitter: @sanjiva Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
