On 2015-12-07 09:00, Ate Douma wrote:
Thanks for entering the report Steve.
I'll sign off and provide some mentor feedback as well later today.
FYI: I've now signed off the report [1] and added the following mentor note:
Ate Douma (ate):
As reported above, mentor support has been too low, including my own.
I find the dwindling down of participation and contributions other than
from only one (very) active committer (Steve) worrisome.
More or even primary focus should be turned towards community development
instead of only churning out code.
I've suggested some concrete steps for this and propose to give the
project a bit more time to try building up a community and more
contributor involvement. As mentor I'll try to help out more as well.
However, if there is no substantial improvement within one or two
reporting periods, it might be better to consider retirement instead.
Regards,
Ate
[1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2015
What I do think and want to strongly suggest is that the Streams project isn't
so much lacking code or quality, but needs more 'presence'.
I know you've been presenting about Streams at conferences, but when a newbie
starts looking for Streams I expect them to quickly be turned off, because:
- the website isn't providing any practical guidance *why* or *how* to use
Streams
- its missing concrete examples and recognizable use-cases for which Streams
might be used, nor comparison against other solutions, and why Streams would be
a good/better solution
- the Architecture page only has some basic wording but provides no insight
whatsoever about the concrete implementation and certainly not its architecture
- there is no public javadoc or other technical documentation linked/hosted
- there is a 'wiki (coming soon)' link which never has been activated
- the mailing list is NOT used for any form of discussion/information other than
JIRA and Git(hub) notifications
- especially the latter doesn't give a newbie any indication what is going on,
nor how to (start) interact
- there are no blog posts (that I am aware of) around using/trying out Streams
either
What I suggest is to for a while stop (or largely postpone) working on code but
instead working on any/all of the above points first...
Even working on a next release IMO is far less important than first building up
some explanation *why* a release of Stream is needed.
And I personally would prefer the dev@ list to be much more / primarily used for
actual human interaction, not just these notifications from JIRA and Github.
Maybe change the configuration to delegate (some of) these to the commit@ list
instead?
I hope the above suggestions makes sense.
Not everything might be needed but I really think something needs to be changed
soon about this to get Streams, as an Apache project, moving forward.
Kind regards,
Ate
On 2015-12-04 18:24, Steve Blackmon wrote:
Thanks for the heads up on the board report Ate. I'll get started on it
now.
My take is that code quality and functionality are still improving. I
agree that a release is long overdue. The last release package I put
together didn't mobilize enough votes within the project to reach the IPMC.
I'm still committed to the project. I'm disappointed other early
participants haven't been lately because the project's mission of
interoperability between data silos is important. FWIW I don't see any
open-source community devoted to this mission currently growing outside of
Apache either. However, awareness of the problem, it's magnitude, and the
real costs borne by developers and businesses continues to grow.
While the project has not made much progress on it's graduation criteria
over the last two quarters, I believe we can still turn the corner. I'm
wide open to suggestions for (and help) attracting new attention and
contributors to the project.
Steve Blackmon
sblack...@apache.org
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:41 AM, Ate Douma <a...@douma.nu> wrote:
Hi Streams team,
I just realized (too late) yesterday was the deadline for submitting the
board
report for Apache Streams...
I hope and suggest that we still provide one quickly before the end of the
week, because it also is important to report the IMO current lacking
development of the Streams community and the project overall.
As a mentor I haven't paid much attention lately, which isn't good, and
neither
do I see the other mentors being involved, which I think is a even more
serious
problem.
And I think only/mostly Steve now is churning out code, but with little/no
mailing list interaction or discussion with others.
So while possibly code-wise Streams might be doing alright (honestly: I
have no
clue), I see no progress at all in community development, more likely a
decline...
No releases either and I see no plan or any discussion for that matter.
With this current state and lack of progress I really wonder what the
future
for Apache Streams is, how it ever could get graduate from the incubator
this
way, and if it maybe wouldn't be better for it to retire and move the
development to github or elsewhere?
WDYT?
Ate
On 2015-11-26 21:45, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
Greetings, {podling} developers!
This is a reminder that your report is due next Wednesday, December
2nd. Details below.
Best,
Marvin Humphrey, Report Manager for December, on behalf of the
Incubator PMC
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Dear podling,
This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache
Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to
prepare your quarterly board report.
The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 16 December 2015, 10:30 am PST.
The report for your podling will form a part of the Incubator PMC
report. The Incubator PMC requires your report to be submitted 2 weeks
before the board meeting, to allow sufficient time for review and
submission (Wed, December 2nd).
Please submit your report with sufficient time to allow the Incubator
PMC, and subsequently board members to review and digest. Again, the
very latest you should submit your report is 2 weeks prior to the board
meeting.
Thanks,
The Apache Incubator PMC
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* A brief description of your project, which assumes no knowledge of
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* A list of the three most important issues to address in the move
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