Thanks, will follow up on general@ On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Ate Douma <a...@douma.nu> wrote:
> On 2016-09-23 17:50, Suneel Marthi wrote: > >> I would echo Benjamin again. While in all honestly, I might not be able to >> dedicate any time in Streams development given that I am fully engaged in >> 4 >> other Apache projects, I would like to join this project as a mentor and >> help >> steer this to TLP. >> > > That is a great offer Suneel and I'd welcome you to become mentor of Apache > Streams. > > Not sure about the proper process for this, but I think all this requires > is > that you say so (or at least request) on general@ and we then can add you > to the project status page [1] > > Ate > > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/streams.html > > >> Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week >> btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ >> > > Cool, I'll watch it later this weekend. > @Steve: might it be useful to put a link on the Streams website? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Benjamin Young <byo...@bigbluehat.com >> <mailto:byo...@bigbluehat.com>> wrote: >> >> I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s >> face-to-face >> meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams >> 2.0: >> >> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/ >> <https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/> >> >> >> >> The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing >> to ship >> the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams >> community to get back on its feet. >> >> >> >> Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done >> more >> this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a >> presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice >> versa. >> >> >> >> There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF >> activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a >> major >> moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0. >> >> >> >> To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache >> Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C >> arrows >> this direction. >> >> >> >> So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with >> the >> Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Benjamin >> >> >> >> -- >> http://bigbluehat.com/ >> http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung <http://linkedin.com/in/benjam >> inyoung> >> >> >> >> From: apache<mailto:sblack...@apache.org <mailto:sblack...@apache.org >> >> >> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM >> To: Ate Douma<mailto:a...@douma.nu <mailto:a...@douma.nu>>; >> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org >> <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org><mailto:dev@streams >> .incubator.apache.org >> <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>> >> Cc: gene...@incubator.apache.org >> <mailto:gene...@incubator.apache.org><mailto:general@incubat >> or.apache.org >> <mailto:gene...@incubator.apache.org>> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic >> >> >> >> On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu >> >> <mailto:a...@douma.nu>) wrote: >> On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote: >> > I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for >> social web >> > data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has >> taught me a >> > lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but >> as Ate >> > points out the community around this podling has never been healthy >> and >> has all >> > but disappeared in 2016. >> > >> > I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to >> volunteer as a >> > mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active >> participants I can >> > envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, >> it should be >> > retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere. >> > >> Hi Steve, >> >> Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally >> decided, as >> there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it >> does look >> like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon. >> >> You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and >> with the >> openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation. >> That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course >> disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes. >> >> >> Thanks for saying so. There has been a lot of good work from the >> committers >> involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed. >> >> I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing >> to and >> joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine >> Apache >> committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, >> but also >> as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places! >> >> >> Thanks for saying so. I’m not going anywhere. #bigdata is what I do >> and >> ASF is where it happens. >> >> > I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later >> today. >> >> I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, >> which if OK >> and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final >> incubating >> release for Apache Stream. >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on >> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <mailto:dev@streams.incubator. >> apache.org> >> >> Kind regards, Ate >> >> > >> > Steve Blackmon >> > sblack...@apache.org <mailto:sblack...@apache.org> >> > >> > On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu >> <mailto:a...@douma.nu> >> > <mailto:a...@douma.nu <mailto:a...@douma.nu>>) wrote: >> > >> >> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote: >> >> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's >> talk last week >> >> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink. >> >> > >> >> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly >> about the >> >> > Streams project. >> >> >> >> Good to hear that! >> >> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving >> the >> >> > project some more time before calling the attic ? >> >> >> >> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active >> community >> >> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now. >> >> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem >> for the >> >> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable. >> >> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and >> rally some >> >> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to >> postpone/cancel >> >> the retirement VOTE for now. >> >> >> >> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org >> <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>, let us know >> >> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works >> out. >> >> >> >> Regards, Ate >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <a...@douma.nu >> <mailto:a...@douma.nu>> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Ate, >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's >> retirement guide. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html >> <http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Right. >> >> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and >> overlooked this >> >> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement. >> >> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be >> taken >> down, >> >> >>> instead of flagged as being retired. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on >> dev@streams >> >> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, >> this >> >> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page. >> >> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper >> notice what >> >> >>> the retirement entails. >> >> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush >> either) >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I >> think I >> it is >> >> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on >> dev@streams >> >> >> with the >> >> >> link to the podling retirement guide. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here >> on general@ >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Ate >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> John >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <a...@douma.nu >> <mailto:a...@douma.nu>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after >> I first >> >> >>>>> initiated a >> >> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in >> zero feedback. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Ate >> >> >>>>> (Streams mentor) >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> >> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic >> >> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200 >> >> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <a...@douma.nu <mailto:a...@douma.nu>> >> >> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org >> <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org> < >> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org >> <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets >> formally >> >> >>>>> vote on >> >> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/proces >> s.html >> <http://attic.apache.org/process.html> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic >> >> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority >> >> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... 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