On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:50:57 +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote:
> I assume this is PMC members only, but as you're posting this on
> the dev list I guess its open for anyone to give their 2 cents.

It's true that only the PMC votes are binding, but votes and input from everyone is 
always encouraged.


> Bill is active on the user list and answers alot of questions -
> thats a big plus in my book and shows he knows what hes talking
> about. Like Rob and David though, I haven't seen any patches from
> Bill and it seems strange to give someone "committ" privledge that
> has never made a submission. I have no personal objection to Bill,
> but if anyone is keen to become a committer and work on Struts then
> in my thinking a minimum requirement would be that they had
> submitted a patch to show that and also provide an example of their
> work

Like me, Bill seems to be more of a documentator than a coder. He submitted a number 
of excruciatingly helpful "patches" to the Struts in Action book. He's also posted 
presentations to the Struts SouceForge site, which I've used in my work.

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/struts
* jstl-and-struts.pdf
* testing.zip

There was also a wonderful JSTL cheatsheet of his that I've used, but I can't lay my 
fingertips on the links right now. Here's some other Siggelkow links
* http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1895


> Wouldn't it be better to encourage him to get involved first and
> then if he does that bring him in as a committer?

Sure, but, then I'd have to commit all those patches myself, and I honestly don't have 
that kind of time anymore. :) Some of us know Bill personally and can vouch that he's 
is a righteous dude, so why not cut to chase? As you observed, it's the PMC votes that 
are binding.

You know, once upon a time, Craig asked if anyone wanted to help with the 
documentation, I raised my hand, and, pop, I was a Committer. At the time, I think I 
was asking more questions than I was answering. I had never submitted a patch or even 
filed a Bugzilla report.

It's true that one very good reason for nominating someone is because they are 
contributing so much, it would be easier to let them commit it themselves :) Another 
reason is because a nomination may encourage someone with a good heart to do more.

-Ted.


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