I have to agree personally with Rod Johnson "J2EE without EJBs",
Spring framework architect, etc., when he says that Shale is merely a
stopgap and that Struts as we know it is simply incompatible with JSF.
 That seems fairly obvious and I find it hard to believe that anyone
familiar with the issues would think any differently.  I personally
would not hire anyone would thought differently, whether they like JSF
or not.

JSF is not new.  JSF has been around forever, so it cannot be the
cutting edge.  If it is cutting, it is the "cutting middle" and almost
the "cutting tailend".  The JSF idea has been around even longer with
all sorts of frameworks which I personally think do it better. 
Indeed, I think it fair to say that one of the main architects of the
JSF framework has said as much but has to feed his family.

Certainly, if you like JSF, knock yourself out.  Love it to death.  I
don't care.  I only care about giving people that ask a fair
evaluation of the product without the hype.

On 8/10/05, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quick correction: Struts is _not_ forking in any sense of the word.
> Struts Ti is a sandbox project several of us are working on as an
> exploration of a simplified framework more like Ruby on Rails than
> JSF.  It has not been accepted as a Struts subproject, just as Shale
> has not been accepted as "Struts 2.0".
> 
> The Struts project is currently in, what I would call, a state of
> exploration.  In addition to Shale and Ti, there are other projects
> like Struts Overdrive, Struts Flow, etc., which are also exploring
> different aspects of web development.  Of course, there will be Struts
> classic still for a long time to come which will continue to forego
> active development.
> 
> I think Struts is realizing there is no "one way" when it comes to web
> development.  If a particular project or approach interests you, join
> in.  Personally, I think shale will be a great success building on the
> strong JSF framework, and if it meets your needs, give it a shot.
> Just as not every web application is the same, neither is their needs
> for a framework.
> 
> Don
> 
> On 8/10/05, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Those of you on the Struts Developers list.  Would you like to comment on
> > this?
> >
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matthias Wessendorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "MyFaces Discussion" <users@myfaces.apache.org>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: JSF vs. Struts
> >
> >
> > currently the are *forking* :)
> >
> > Struts Ti
> >
> > see here:
> > http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/dev@struts.apache.org/1854691.html
> >
> > and Shale (aka Struts 2.0) is build on top of JSF.
> >
> > It is a framework for JSF ...
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/10/05, Werner Punz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Doing both, I only can recommend, if you can omit struts and go
> > > directly for MyFaces (not the JSF RI, it lacks severely)
> > >
> > > Struts feels somewhat dated in many areas compared to JSF.
> > >
> > > Werner
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Aleksei Valikov wrote:
> > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > Could anyone post a good link on Struts vs. JSF comparison? I have a
> > > > meeting in 40 minutes where I need to push through my decision on using
> > > > JSF for a large project (GIS/Map Viewers). Seems like I can argument my
> > > > decision, but some additional support material would be helpful.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > > Bye.
> > > > /lexi
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >
> >
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