On 6/6/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Martin Cooper wrote:
> I agree that this doesn't sound like something that should happen here.

Your saying that in terms of the custom XML wrapper around
iText/PDFBox/whatever, right?


Yes.

 I.e., going the FOP direction is a
different story, right?


No. FOP = whatever. I consider anything --> PDF to be out of scope / too
specialised here.

--
Martin Cooper


 I do agree, even though I've already done it
once, the XML template specification is something bigger than we'd
probably want here, and is more appropriate elsewhere.

One existing possibility is here:

http://ujac.sourceforge.net/

This library contains an XML template format around iText.  It is
however GPL/LGPL, which I recall being a problem at Apache, correct?

I think FOP is still the interesting option here.  Much more flexible
certainly, more output options than just PDF, and licensing shouldn't be
any kind of concern, nor should community and future development.  I'm
just starting to think about what could be done to make it easier on
developers...  Certainly I could see a Result to generate the data XML
automatically in some way, then all the developer would really have to
do is create the XSLT.

> As
> for working with the iText team, unless things have changed recently,
there
> are two iText teams, because the two guys that started it went their
> separate ways some time ago, so now there's "Paulo's iText" and the
other
> guy's iText. (Sorry, I don't recall the other guy's name.) Also, the
last
> time I checked, each of the two iText versions were one-man teams.

That's interesting, I wasn't aware of any of those politics.  I know
that when I go here: http://www.lowagie.com/iText/ I see both Bruno and
Paul's name... that may just be a historical thing, I don't know.

> I think MPL is OK. The bigger concern, as Ted mentioned, would be that
> they're all one-man shows. I haven't looked at PDFBox, but I've been
> singularly unimpressed by the iText API (although it's been a couple of
> years now since I last looked at it). Hopefully PDFBox is better.

I just spent a little time looking at PDFBox... it looks decent.  I need
to look in more detail though... I wasn't too thrilled to see 2+ years
of development and still not a 1.0 release... I know Ted said how is
anything supposed to get there without being used, and he's of course
right, but it still worries me a little... I also see a couple of API
changes in recent releases... perfectly OK before a 1.0 of course, but
it doesn't exactly make one comfortable about building against it :)

Jasper was mentioned in this thread as another possibility... I thought
there were some licensing issues there?  I thought I remember something
about that in the earlier WW->SAF2 talks.

I'm not sure a whole reporting solution is the answer, but, thinking
about that a bit...

There is another possibility along those lines: Datavision.  The idea of
moving it to Apache was discussed a few weeks back, but it wound up not
going anywhere... if there were to be a champion for it, I think it
might be a good move.  I already have permission from Jim Menard, the
original author, to pursue that if there should be interest.

In the mean time, I think I've all but convinced myself to explore the
FOP path.  Seems like if we're not going to go the custom template
route, might as well go with the standard, and one that opens up more
possibilities than just PDFs in the process.

Frank

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