Well said, exactly what I was trying to communicate.
I was just hoping that we weren't "stuck in the sandbox" since that
seems like it will prevent an alpha release.
David
Greg Reddin wrote:
On Nov 21, 2006, at 9:15 AM, David H. DeWolf wrote:
What I'm more concerned about is the community/oversight.
I think the scope of the Tiles 2 community remains to be seen. There
are several other templating solutions out there. How will Tiles 2 be
accepted when compared with Sitemesh, etc? I don't know. The JSF
community has Facelets and Clay, so Tiles support is more of a legacy
thing. The thing we do have going for us is that there's a lot of users
who are familiar with Tiles 1.x. Migration from Tiles 1.x to Tiles 2
might be easier than, say, Tiles 1.x to Sitemesh for those who don't
want to learn too many new things. It also helps that the Tiles
integration for Struts 2 and Shale is Tiles 2 exclusively. But the risk
is that people who know Tiles 1 and start using Struts 2 or Shale will
not be willing to port their Tiles knowledge to Tiles 2 and would rather
take on a different framework.
So, all we can do is work it up, release it, and doc it and see what
happens. I tend to think the earlier we get it out of the sandbox the
better. A snapshot project in the sandbox just doesn't have the same
credence as even an alpha that has a real project commitment behind it.
For me personally, I'll support Tiles whether it's a TLP, part of
Jakarta, or part of Struts. Honestly, I'm not interested in
spearheading a TLP right now. I'm just not yet convinced enough that
the community will come along and make the effort worth it. But if
someone else wants to write up the proposals and be the "chair" and
whatever else needs to be done, then count me in as a full-time
supporter. It's possible that my situation will change when my day job
settles down a bit, but right now I just don't have the bandwidth to
kick it off. I think the Struts community has made it clear that we
want Struts to be focused on building an MVC framework and not
necessarily all the stuff surrounding that (and I agree with that BTW).
So unless that sentiment has changed I think we have to stay in the
Struts sandbox until we have enough momentum to either join Jakarta or
go TLP.
Greg
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