On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Ray Kohler<ataraxia...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Uriel<lost.gob...@gmail.com> wrote: >> You can't have a "sane web browser"[1] with an insane rendering >> engine. All you are doing otherwise is giving a turd another coat of >> paint. >> >> At the moment my only hope for a minimally sane web rendering engine >> is http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ >> >> The latest released version is not too useful, but development seems >> to be fast and they are moving forward quite fast. >> >> Peace >> >> uriel >> >> [1]: Of course there can't be a sane web browser, but a different coat >> of paint on top of webkit is not going to be any saner than Chrome, >> and unlike all this so called "sane browsers" at least Chrome mostly >> got the process model right. > > I think it's more like, "You can't have a sane web browser with an > insane web". As long as the content creator makes assumptions of how > the user wants the content presented, and things break when the > assumptions are violated, there can be no sane web experience. And > that's still better than the model where the creator's assumptions are > simply enforced upon the user. (Of course, this can be gotten around > by just avoiding all the broken parts of the web, but I find that > rather impossible given that my livelihood is tied up in it.) > > FWIW, I made a post of this sort in uzbl's Arch Forum thread recently, > and it doesn't appear that anybody responding to it got what I was > driving at. Dieter, in fact, admitted not understanding me. It didn't > seem worthwhile to continue the thread there, since I don't really > want to convince browser programmers that their cause is hopeless - > and that's really what "victory" for me would look like on that front. > I'm still quite interested in both uzbl and surf, and I'm hoping one > of them will prove me wrong and actually tame the web into a uniform > UI / presentation experience that somehow smooths over any dumb things > the content creators do without sending me back to Firefox to handle > broken pages all the time.
Again, uzbl and surf developers are *not* 'browser programmers', they are not writing any browsers, they are painting a very thin coat of paint over existing turd browsers out there. uriel