Thanks for the reply. I've split that out into a separate thread so it doesn't hijack this one and will just give people space to object / discuss, and then I'll move that over.
Jon On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <[email protected]> wrote: > No nees to ask to move vode over sandbox, great idea Jon. > > Le 19 mars 2018 12:10, "Jonathan Gallimore" <[email protected]> > a écrit : > > > We used to have the concept of a sandbox which allowed folks to play with > > different ideas https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tomee/sandbox/. I it > did > > a > > while back (ok, 10 years back - has it really been that long...?) for an > > Eclipse plugin. I think we need a safe place where experimentation can > > happen and code can be committed and worked on (that isn't just a PR). A > > number of things in the old sandbox have moved onto other places. > > > > If I sent a PR and it was whisked away to Geronimo, my immediate issue > > would be that I don't have commit access there, so I'm then restricted to > > sending in PRs. > > > > Jon > > > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Andy Gumbrecht < > [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > I don't see TomEE as the center of the world, but somewhere where > people > > > should be free to work without constantly being told it's not OK to do > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19/03/18 10:45, Mark Struberg wrote: > > > > > >> @Anydy and @David > > >> Let's face it TomEE is mostly an aggregator. A great one, I really > love > > >> it - but still. > > >> For example: apart from verifying and excluding all the broken TCKs > I > > >> had probably 30 committs for TomEE8 which are really due to upgrades > for > > >> EE8. Most of them have been CDI-2.0 adoptions and adopting to Tomcat > > >> behaviour changes. > > >> But apart from that Romain I had about 4000 commits in all the other > > >> projects, all for TomEE8. And there are many more people and projects > > >> involved which just get consumed by TomEE: > > >> * Tomcat* OpenWebBeans* MyFaces > > >> * Johnzon* OpenJPA* BVal* log4j* commons* BatchEE > > >> * various geronimo libs like * xbean, * geronimo-jta, * > > >> geronimo-javamail, tons of * geronimo-specs > > >> Folks, you have to stop thinking as TomEE as being the center of the > > >> world. I love TomEE and it's a great aggregator and a great community. > > >> But building TomEE is literally just the tip of the iceberg. All the > > work > > >> on the parts under the water - which is the vast majority - is done > FOR > > >> TomEE but *not* AT TomEE!So don't fight those communities but embrace > > them. > > >> > > >> This is not a one way street. > > >> We (TomEE) should be really much more active in pointing that out > TomEE > > >> contributors are perfectly welcome to tinker around in all the > > downstream > > >> projects as well. And the other way around. > > >> We need EACH OTHER! TomEE as kind of end-user projects which adds a > huge > > >> adoption factor. And of course the components underneath as a rock > solid > > >> base. > > >> > > >> LieGrue,strub > > >> > > >> > > >> On Monday, 19 March 2018, 09:37:36 CET, Andy Gumbrecht < > > >> [email protected]> wrote: > > >> I think that if anyone feels like contributing to TomEE then we > > should > > >> allow and encourage that as soon as possible. The politics of where > > >> things should 'eventually' reside is a huge distraction and just > serves > > >> to block any progress at the moment - The enthusiasm dies quickly > after > > >> a week of back and forth. The first choice for anything should be > TomEE, > > >> as that is the community we serve. The first response should be thank > > >> you, and we should accept the help offered. Then those that want to > > >> worry about extraction and reuse should feel free to go ahead and do > > >> that if they feel strongly enough about it. It should not be the > > >> priority for TomEE. > > >> > > >> The goal should be to get TomEE on the MP board as soon as possible. > If > > >> that initially means TomEE 8, Java 8, and accepting a few PRs then we > > >> should press ahead with that now. Anything that might need > back-porting > > >> can be addressed later. > > >> > > >> Andy. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 19/03/18 01:02, David Blevins wrote: > > >> > > >>> On Mar 18, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > [email protected] > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Are you against/-1ing g-jwt-auth? > > >>>> > > >>> I wouldn't do that, but it's also clear to me the discussion in this > > >>> thread can be significantly clearer. Objections were made that > weren't > > >>> resolved. The discussion started as what do "we" do with we meaning > > TomEE > > >>> and Geronimo. At some point in the middle it was stated Geronimo has > > >>> already made a decision. I also have the feeling people may have > > opinions > > >>> that are in-between a full TomEE vs Geronimo decision, such as > wanting > > to > > >>> put work into inching closer to get a better view before deciding. > > >>> > > >>> I think all these things are fine, but we need some healthy votes so > > >>> people can move forward with clear support. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -David > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > -- > > > Andy Gumbrecht > > > https://twitter.com/AndyGeeDe > > > http://www.tomitribe.com > > > https://www.tomitribe.io > > > > > > > > > Ubique > > > > > > > > >
