Also +1... if STEERING is simply a subset of CLIENT_STEERING features, then
no real point in keeping both.

I will admit, however, that the `?format=json` thing sort of bothers me. We
have run into at least 1 case that I know if where that conflicted with a
customer's app, which was also making use of the `format` query string.

__Jason

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 1:55 PM Derek Gelinas <mrdgeli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm definitely +1 on this.  Good idea!
>
> > On May 2, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Jeremy Mitchell <mitchell...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Good suggestion, Rawlin.
> >
> > +1 I'm always in favor of any sort of simplification and this sounds
> like a
> > good one. As always, I'd suggest creating an issue (
> > https://github.com/apache/trafficcontrol/issues) and put  your
> explanation
> > in there and we can mark it as "tech debt" and hopefully we can find the
> > time to get it done.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 6:41 PM Dave Neuman <neu...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> +1. I don’t think we actually use (old) steering anywhere in production.
> >> Steering does support the regex feature (use a regex to “pin” to a DS)
> and
> >> I don’t think the client_steering does, so we might want to consider
> moving
> >> that feature into client_steering.   Steering also supports an overwrite
> >> header that may or may not be in client steering.
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 13:14 Rawlin Peters <rawlin.pet...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey all,
> >>>
> >>> I think we should consider deprecating the STEERING delivery service
> >>> type in favor of CLIENT_STEERING.
> >>>
> >>> tl;dr:
> >>> Everything that a STEERING delivery service provides can be provided
> >>> by a CLIENT_STEERING delivery service instead, and CLIENT_STEERING
> >>> provides more advanced features like Geolocation-based steering that
> >>> are not available to the plain STEERING type. There are some small
> >>> differences in request payloads when passing the `?format=json` query
> >>> parameter, but other than that the client-facing interface is the same
> >>> between CLIENT_STEERING and STEERING.
> >>>
> >>> What do you think of this proposal? Can you think of a good reason why
> >>> we should keep STEERING in addition to CLIENT_STEERING? If you're
> >>> skeptical or unsure, feel free to read the longer explanation below.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Longer explanation:
> >>> The main difference in the results returned by STEERING vs
> >>> CLIENT_STEERING is that the STEERING result only contains the "top"
> >>> target. This "top" target can still be returned as a json payload, as
> >>> a 200 or a 302, depending on query parameters passed in the request,
> >>> which is the same behavior as CLIENT_STEERING. However,
> >>> CLIENT_STEERING will include *all* of the possible targets not just
> >>> the "top" target.
> >>>
> >>> For clients that just consume and follow the 302, changing the
> >>> delivery service from STEERING to CLIENT_STEERING won't really affect
> >>> the clients -- that behavior would stay the same. However, if clients
> >>> of the STEERING-type are passing `?format=json` in the request, that
> >>> JSON payload differs slightly from STEERING to CLIENT_STEERING.
> >>>
> >>> For STEERING, the payload looks like this:
> >>> {"location": "http://myedge.myds.mycdn.example.net/foo?format=json"}
> >>> For CLIENT_STEERING, it uses an array like this:
> >>> {"locations":["http://myedge.myds.mycdn.example.net/foo?format=json"]}
> >>>
> >>> For either STEERING or CLIENT_STEERING, if the client passes
> >>> `?trred=false` to get a 200 response instead of a 302, the payload
> >>> formats are the same.
> >>>
> >>> So, we couldn't really automatically convert all STEERING DSes to
> >>> CLIENT_STEERING through a DB migration because of those small
> >>> differences in the `?format=json` payloads between the two, but we
> >>> could at least prevent the creation of new STEERING-type DSes during
> >>> the deprecation period and encourage existing STEERING-type DSes to be
> >>> converted to CLIENT_STEERING. Then after a major release or two we can
> >>> draw a line in the sand and automatically convert STEERING types to
> >>> CLIENT_STEERING, and/or make it a requirement that all STEERING-types
> >>> must be converted to CLIENT_STEERING before a certain major release.
> >>>
> >>> Eliminating the STEERING type would allow us to simplify Traffic
> >>> Router a little bit and make it less confusing for users by not having
> >>> two different STEERING types to choose from. Going forward a lot of
> >>> new features are only being added to the CLIENT_STEERING type because
> >>> they don't really apply to STEERING, so the feature disparity between
> >>> the two is only going to grow.
> >>>
> >>> - Rawlin
> >>>
> >>
>
>

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