Hello everyone, Glad to hear from you and especially from Mirko. I'm asking myself if we have *to deal with the content and the infrastructure at the same time* or if it's not better to *just focus on the content* (becoming the best reference for training content) before evolving alongside a better infrastructure. In case we focus on content, there are a lot of avenues to deal with:
- content templates - cognitive ergonomy of our templates - references dictionary of all available training materials - transformation of available material - training of other Apache communities over our sourcing process. Only that seems to be kind of headache to deal with. Cheers. *Alexis C. TADIFO* 📞 (+237) 697 991 590 📞(+1) 418 569 8877 Le mer. 15 févr. 2023 à 13:08, Mirko Kämpf <[email protected]> a écrit : > Hey Lars, > > For me it is important to understand the project's goals crystal clear. > So that we can bring in some energy in a well aligned mode even > if intensity is limited. > One of my favorite topics is still teaching and education in general and > see a huge potential in the Apache training project, if we could align it > with the training demand of the community. > > Let me comment on the current goals (from webpage): > > To sum up, the main goals for this project: > > - > > Develop shared material that can be used for training > Provide a documentation framework for Apache projects to create and > release training artefacts via Apache Training. > Apache Training as a project is the host for offering artefacts in a > central place and also it is the goto place for other projects so that > the > training material aspect (as in aspect oriented programming) is covered > by additional people. > => Think of a set of artefacts, starting from a quickstart guide, > developer guide, pitch deck, intro video, etc. where experts from other > domains come in and help producing such content, or just collecting > links > to existing. > => Existing content can now be linked to certain skill levels so that > learning paths emerge. > - > > Cross-project > This is by nature a fundament of the Apache Training project. > - > > Focused on Apache but also 3rd party projects where it makes sense > Maybe we should focus on Apache projects for active collaboration, but > promote generic usage by other communities. > - > > Develop “labs” or “hands-on” exercises > Provide guidelines and templates and also a "test driver community" for > such tutorials and exercises. > Provide links to repositories with relevant tutorials and "bring those > artefacts" into the scope of Apache Training, rather than creating new > material from scratch. > Fokus on reusing and pointing to existing content. > - > > Develop or document an infrastructure that can be used for those labs > Let's focus on the procedure of content creation, and curation. Running > IT infrastructure for training modules > looks a bit too heavy, also from an economical perspective. > - > > Potentially develop tools to manage the material (e.g. a “slide” > repository that contains “modules” that can be easily reused and > combined) > Defining the modules, scope, skills, prerequisites and also pointers to > material is key to any training material creation project. > Instead of maintaining the artifacts of a particular Apache project, > here we should just structure the results of the experts contributions, > and > by letting them know that material is needed we can initiate the > collaboration, eventually. Example: If I find it cool to create a > tutorial > for Apache XYZ, I would go to AXYZ and create material within that > project, > but using the Apache Training templates. Next, I'd provide the material > for > review, in Apache Training people would find this material and help > improving it, even it they never had looked into AXYZ alone. What I > need in > this moment is not the AXYZ expert, but one with an Apache Training > mindset. Hence I keep the content in the AXYZ project but using > cross-project collaboration brings all projects forward, and it gives > training artefacts a home everybody finds easily. > > Does this make sense? > Cheers, > Mirko > > > Am Mi., 15. Feb. 2023 um 17:51 Uhr schrieb Lars Francke < > [email protected]>: > > > Hi Chris, Mirko, > > > > I am now reading my mails again (as promised last time), so at least that > > works better but unfortunately that didn't translate into any action on > my > > end. > > There has also not been a lot of interest from the "outside" (Mirko and a > > few others being exceptions but it's certainly not been overwhelming). > > > > As such I'd be happy to wind this project down, unless anyone else wants > to > > step up and "take over". > > Mirko, your ideas about outreach to the projects sounds great and if > you're > > interested in getting something done please do so. > > I promise that I'll do my best in supporting you! > > > > Cheers, > > Lars > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 1:33 PM Mirko Kämpf <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Christofer, > > > > > > I am not sure if the goals of the project are clear to the contributors > > and > > > potential new contributors. > > > > > > From time to time I look into this project but I found it hard to > > > understand a pattern. Because all training material > > > about other Apache projects requires active knowledge about that > project > > - > > > but maybe the experts in those projects > > > are not always keen on writing training content. Hence, I think it is > > > important to get linked to all those active Apache projects, > > > and focus here in this particular project on "the Apache way of doing > > > trainings and materials" --- maybe I am a bit late to the party > > > and this has been discussed in the past. > > > > > > I think, opening towards non coders and linking people from multiple > > > projects could bring Apache Training to the next level. > > > Has this been done already in the past? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Mirko > > > > > > > > > Am Mi., 15. Feb. 2023 um 13:21 Uhr schrieb Christofer Dutz < > > > [email protected]>: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > So, we’ve missed another report. I’m not really happy with this > state. > > > > So, I would like to discuss with you, if we should give up Training > or > > > > what you folks think we should do? > > > > > > > > I personally am not happy with the way it’s currently running and > would > > > be > > > > in favor for giving it up. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf > > > Müchelner Str. 23 > > > 06259 Frankleben > > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. rer. nat. Mirko Kämpf > Müchelner Str. 23 > 06259 Frankleben >
