To me there seems a qualitative difference between a beta and a rc or final release.
Keeping it less formal for a beta release seems fine. But for a "release candidate" Geir's points make sense. Either we should be voting on a specific binary, or the on the result of typing "ant package" with the current svn source. Also, we definitely need to distribute full docs. WILL On 1/27/07, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 1/27/07, Henning P. Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be > >released, not just the concept. > > >At the moment, I have no clue what would actually go out the door wrt > >the binary (included libs, LICENSE and NOTICE files, etc) > > >Should be easy. > > Hm. That *is* a strong imbalance IMHO between projects that ship docs > as part of their distribution (like we do) and others that simply keep > and update their docs online and ship just e.g. javadocs. > > In that case, I'd actually like to discuss removing all docs except > automatically created docs from source (e.g. Javadocs, Changelog etc.) > from the distribution archives. -1 i like keeping docs with distros, both source and binary. and as Geir said, it doesn't really solve the problem. > We do have to discuss the actual release process. Other projects > (e.g. httpd) do it differently, they roll their distribution archives > first and then vote on them. We do it the other way around. +1 !! i've been thinking about this for quite some time. i like the freedom httpd-ish projects have to change the status of a release (in any direction) without having to re-roll it. at the latest, i'd like to see us adopt this after Engine 1.5 and Tools 1.3 are out. it's a little superfluous to switch to this now since we've already been stepping through betas and RCS, but if people really wanted to start now, that's fine by me. :) > Best regards > Henning > > > > > >geir > > >On Jan 27, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote: > > >> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >>> I assume we'll have another vote on the final binary? > >> > >>> geir > >> > >> Do we need to? The code itself will not change, just some doc file, > >> change logs etc. > >> > >> Best regards > >> Henning > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote: > >> > >>>> "Will Glass-Husain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part of the > >>>> "docs > >>>> cleanup" before we release the code. > >>>> > >>>> Best regards > >>>> Henning > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Henning, > >>>> > >>>>> +1, with a caveat... > >>>> > >>>>> Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the system. > >>>>> Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this > >>>>> automatically? I > >>>>> suggest we have two items > >>>> > >>>>> * a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into the main > >>>>> distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key changes and > >>>>> more > >>>>> importantly, dependency changes. > >>>> > >>>>> * a maven generated list from changes.xml > >>>> > >>>>> I'm +1 if we have those two things. > >>>> > >>>>> As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done, > >>>>> especially in > >>>>> the past few months. > >>>> > >>>>> WILL > >>>> > >>>>> On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> +1 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Let's do it. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The list of changes > >>>>>>>> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa? > >>>>>>>> version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create > >>>>>>>> ) > >>>>>>>> is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues > >>>>>>>> is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been > >>>>>>>> reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and > >>>>>>>> "then" (Relase) > >>>>>>>> are all non code: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> - Further work on the docs > >>>>>>>> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull > >>>>>>>> velocity.jar > >>>>>>>> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time > >>>>>>>> - Updates on the xdocs themselves. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it > >>>>>>>> [ ] 0 I don't care > >>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00 > >>>>>>>> MET > >>>>>>>> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html? > >>>>>>>> month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> My vote is +1 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best regards > >>>>>>>> Henning > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> - > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Forio Business Simulations > >>>> > >>>>> Will Glass-Husain > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> www.forio.com > >>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> -- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Henning P. 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