To me there seems a qualitative difference between a beta and a rc or
final release.

Keeping it less formal for a beta release seems fine.  But for a
"release candidate" Geir's points make sense.  Either we should be
voting on a specific binary, or the on the result of typing "ant
package" with the current svn source.

Also, we definitely need to distribute full docs.

WILL

On 1/27/07, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 1/27/07, Henning P. Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be
> >released, not just the concept.
>
> >At the moment, I have no clue what would actually go out the door wrt
> >the binary (included libs, LICENSE and NOTICE files, etc)
>
> >Should be easy.
>
> Hm. That *is* a strong imbalance IMHO between projects that ship docs
> as part of their distribution (like we do) and others that simply keep
> and update their docs online and ship just e.g. javadocs.
>
> In that case, I'd actually like to discuss removing all docs except
> automatically created docs from source (e.g. Javadocs, Changelog etc.)
> from the distribution archives.

-1  i like keeping docs with distros, both source and binary.  and as
Geir said, it doesn't really solve the problem.

> We do have to discuss the actual release process. Other projects
> (e.g. httpd) do it differently, they roll their distribution archives
> first and then vote on them. We do it the other way around.

+1 !!  i've been thinking about this for quite some time.  i like the
freedom httpd-ish projects have to change the status of a release (in
any direction) without having to re-roll it.  at the latest, i'd like
to see us adopt this after Engine 1.5 and Tools 1.3 are out.  it's a
little superfluous to switch to this now since we've already been
stepping through betas and RCS, but if people really wanted to start
now, that's fine by me. :)

>         Best regards
>                 Henning
>
>
>
>
> >geir
>
> >On Jan 27, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
>
> >> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >>> I assume we'll have another vote on the final binary?
> >>
> >>> geir
> >>
> >> Do we need to? The code itself will not change, just some doc file,
> >> change logs etc.
> >>
> >>      Best regards
> >>              Henning
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> >>
> >>>> "Will Glass-Husain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part of the
> >>>> "docs
> >>>> cleanup" before we release the code.
> >>>>
> >>>>    Best regards
> >>>>            Henning
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Henning,
> >>>>
> >>>>> +1, with a caveat...
> >>>>
> >>>>> Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the system.
> >>>>> Where's the change list?  Will Maven generate this
> >>>>> automatically?  I
> >>>>> suggest we have two items
> >>>>
> >>>>> * a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into the main
> >>>>> distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt".  This summarizes key changes and
> >>>>> more
> >>>>> importantly, dependency changes.
> >>>>
> >>>>> * a maven generated list from changes.xml
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm +1 if we have those two things.
> >>>>
> >>>>> As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done,
> >>>>> especially in
> >>>>> the past few months.
> >>>>
> >>>>> WILL
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Let's do it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The list of changes
> >>>>>>>> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
> >>>>>>>> version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create
> >>>>>>>> )
> >>>>>>>> is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues
> >>>>>>>> is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been
> >>>>>>>> reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and
> >>>>>>>> "then" (Relase)
> >>>>>>>> are all non code:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - Further work on the docs
> >>>>>>>> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull
> >>>>>>>> velocity.jar
> >>>>>>>> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
> >>>>>>>> - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
> >>>>>>>> [ ]  0 I don't care
> >>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00
> >>>>>>>> MET
> >>>>>>>> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> >>>>>>>> month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My vote is +1
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>         Best regards
> >>>>>>>>                 Henning
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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